I'm Dave Rubin, and joining me today is a trial lawyer and an all-star political gambler,

also a pre-mode promoter of locals.com.

Robert Barnes, welcome back to the Rubin Report.

Glad to be here.

I am glad to have you, man.

I didn't realize until literally two minutes ago that we have not spoken in a one-on-one

forum for over two years, is the world getting better or worse in those two years?

Well, you know, back then I was taking a lot of controversial cases.

So we were talking about Alex Jones, the Covington kids, Wesley Snipes, Ralph Nader, Girls

Gone Wild, all the rest of it.

So I decided to take less controversial cases.

So I took Donald Trump during the elections, Amy Cooper in New York, Kyle Rittenhouse, self-defense.

But yeah, the world just keeps getting crazier, particularly from a legal political perspective.

Yeah.

So what put you on the map is, if I say that would originally sort of put you on the

map in a bigger sense, was the bet on Trump, is that really the thing that kind of got you

out there as more of a public lawyer?

Yeah.

I mean, basically I'd always been a, done a lot of tax work, but for a lot of reasons

that didn't need that to be high profile.

And it done a lot of civil rights work, but had not made myself a public figure.

But people had followed the Trump bet because it was a big bet and the rest became a public

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