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The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

Lawrence on Trump attacking the rule of law: We are all Harvard. We are all Abrego Garcia.

The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

NBC News

Policy, Msnbc, Politics, President, Washington, Congress, Government, Senate, News

4.45.9K Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2025

⏱️ 40 minutes

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Summary

Tonight on The Last Word: The Trump Justice Department argues courts can’t force Kilmar Abrego Garcia’s return. Also, Donald Trump declines to say what imports might be exempt from future tariffs. And Democrats host town halls to amplify voters’ concerns. Andrew Weissmann, Catherine Rampell, Rep. Greg Stanton, and fmr Rep. David Jolly join Lawrence O’Donnell.

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0:00.0

Well, today, what one judge has called the lawlessness of Donald Trump and his staff was made vivid once again in two hugely important stories that are really about us, about all of us, every one of us.

0:16.7

And it might not seem that way at first.

0:19.4

One is the story of an immigrant who was shipped off to a prison in El Salvador or something that could never happen to us citizens, right?

0:28.4

And the other story is about an exclusive private institution far removed from your life, it seems, that has nothing to do with you, or at least it seems

0:38.7

that way.

0:39.8

But today, we are all Kilmar, Armando Arbrego Garcia, because Donald Trump said today very

0:48.4

clearly that he wants to be able to throw anyone in a prison in El Salvador and throw away

0:53.2

the key, even if that person

0:55.0

has committed no crime. And that means us. That means all of us because Donald Trump and his

1:00.6

lawyers are insisting through the courts that even after they make a mistake, as they admit they did

1:07.8

in the case of Mr. Obrego-Ggo Garcia, they don't have to fix that mistake.

1:12.6

And they can leave him in that prison forever.

1:16.0

And if the mistake they make the next time with you or me is that they sent us to an El Salvador

1:25.8

prison even though we didn't commit a crime and even though we are

1:30.1

United States citizens, that mistake cannot be fixed, according to Donald Trump and his lawyer.

1:38.3

Lawyers. No American court can order that an American citizen illegally deported to a prison in El Salvador by

1:45.9

Donald Trump can ever be saved from that mistake. That's the position of the president of the

1:52.3

United States and his lawyers. And there has never been a darker statement made by a president

1:58.3

of the United States or his lawyers about what it means to live in America,

2:03.3

then that statement. Donald Trump is the only president who believes he can snatch anyone

2:10.2

off the streets in the United States, send that person to El Salvador, find out later that that

2:16.0

person never committed a crime and is a citizen of the

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