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The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

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The Last Word with Lawrence O’Donnell

NBC News

Policy, Msnbc, Politics, President, Washington, Congress, Government, Senate, News

4.45.9K Ratings

🗓️ 9 April 2025

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

Tonight on The Last Word: Seven GOP senators back a bill to curb Trump tariff power. Also, the Trump administration targets hundreds of federal buildings for a potential sale. And a Trump-appointed judge orders the White House to lift the Associated Press ban. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse, Jason Furman, Rep. Melanie Stansbury, and Andrew Weissmann join Lawrence O’Donnell.

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0:00.0

Now it's time for the great Lawrence O'Donnell on the last word. Good evening, Lawrence.

0:04.4

We have some breaking news from the IRS Associated Press reporting that the IRS acting commissioner is

0:11.9

resigning over the demand that they send immigrants tax data to ICE. It says Melanie Krause, who had served as acting heads since February

0:24.4

will step down over the new data sharing document signed Monday by Treasury Secretary Scott Besant

0:30.9

and Homeland Security Secretary Christy Knoem. The agreement will allow ICE to submit names and addresses

0:36.7

of immigrants inside the U.S.

0:39.0

illegally to the IRS for cross-verification against tax records.

0:43.4

And that is a new use of IRS data, which has always had a kind of confidential sanctity in the federal government.

0:54.4

Yeah. I think it's also, isn't that the, doesn't that make this the third director of the IRS

1:00.7

since in less than three months since Trump has been sworn in? That's also very bad. I mean,

1:07.0

Americans are all filing their taxes right now.

1:15.8

Part of that is wanting to know that the IRS is competent and is going to treat us fairly,

1:23.1

but it has always been the bargain with the U.S. government that we submit that information to the IRS specifically for the purpose of adjudicating our taxes and not for any other thing.

1:28.7

And that's why people comply with tax law.

1:31.6

This is a fundamental break here.

1:34.7

And Rachel, you're so much sharper than I am off the top of our head.

1:38.6

In my ear, it was just whispered to me by Melissa that, yes, it's the third, which I did not, which I did not know.

1:46.5

Yeah.

1:46.9

So thank you for that.

1:47.8

The first one going was bad.

1:48.4

The second one going was really bad.

1:49.9

This one is a five alarm fire.

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