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The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Live: The EU Fines X 120 M Euros - What Comes Next?

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4.76.4K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

On Dec. 5, the European Commission announced that they are fining X (formerlly Twitter) 120 million euros for impersonation scams with “verification,” broken advertising transpaency system, and blocking researchers from its platform. On a Lawfare Live, Lawfare Senior Editor Kate Klonick and Lawfare Contributing Editor Renee DiResta analyzed the decision, what happens next, and how this fits into the geopolitical struggle over free speech.

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0:00.0

Nearly every news alert in 2025 has raised questions, some old, some new, about the law and national security.

0:07.5

And now you get the chance to ask Lawfare directly. It's time for our annual Ask Us Anything Mailbag podcast, an opportunity for you to ask Lawfare this year's most burning questions.

0:18.3

You can submit your question by leaving a voicemail at 202-643-8474.

0:26.5

Or by sending a recording of yourself asking your question to Ask Us Anything Lawfare at gmail.com by December 16th.

0:36.3

It is Lawfare Live.

0:39.2

The now.

0:40.0

I'm Kate Klonick, Lawfare Senior Editor.

0:42.7

It is 11 a.m. Eastern Time on December 5th.

0:46.9

And I'm here with Lawfare contributor Renee Duresta to discuss the European Commission announcement

0:52.3

that they are finding the Platform X, formerly Twitter,

0:57.5

120 million euros for violations of the Digital Services Act, which is Europe's new,

1:05.6

relatively new law around services and speech and content platforms. And we are, I don't know, we were,

1:15.4

we kind of got word of this last night, Renee, and like you were on a, you were up very early,

1:20.7

not, we're kind of late to this by European standards, but early to this by California standards,

1:26.1

I like to say. Cheers. But let's, like, just to

1:31.2

kind of, like, read everyone in into kind of, let's start with kind of just like, do you want to

1:36.0

give a quick, quick overview of DSA stuff and like what it is? How, yeah, for, so like,

1:42.5

listeners can kind of understand what's going on.

1:45.4

Yep. So it's funny. Whenever I say DSA, people think I mean like Democratic Socialists of America,

1:50.4

right? That's what the acronym means. Yep. In the United States. I'm in California this morning,

1:54.8

guys. I was actually on a plane when this was happening with really crappy Wi-Fi, very frustrated

1:59.2

flying across from D. from DC to San Francisco,

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