Lawfare Daily: What Happened to the Fake Electors?
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🗓️ 15 May 2024
⏱️ 48 minutes
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Summary
After the 2020 Presidential Election, a plan was hatched in seven swing states that had voted for Joe Biden. Lawsuits challenging the election outcomes in those states continued to fail, but this plan attempted to find another path to keep Trump in office—using the Electoral College process. The idea was to create slates of electors for Trump that would oppose the duly-elected Biden electors, and to send those slates of electors to DC to be counted on Jan. 6. Then, Vice President Mike Pence was supposed to either choose the Trump electors, thereby overturning the 2020 election results, or kick the competing slates back to the states to be sorted out, thereby delaying Congress's certification of the election. It's a plan that the Jan. 6 Committee would later dub "the fraudulent electors scheme." The whole scheme relied on specific individuals in each state—the fake electors themselves. So, three and a half years later, what has happened to them?
Lawfare Executive Editor Natalie Orpett spoke with Senior Editor Quinta Jurecic, who has been closely following the issue from the beginning. Last month, she published an article explaining what happened to the fake electors in these seven states with Lawfare Student Contributors Hunter Evans, Adam George, and Emma Plankey.
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| 1:10.0 | seems to be at the dead center of trying to interfere with the electoral |
| 1:14.5 | college vote. It's the Lawfair Podcast. I'm Natalie Orpete, |
| 1:19.1 | executive editor of Lawfair with my colleague Quinta Jurassic, senior editor at Law Fair. |
| 1:25.0 | I have been wondering whether or not Arizona and Michigan will kind of decide to, you know, be legends and go for it and indict the former president |
| 1:37.0 | themselves on the grounds that he is a part of the schemes that they've laid out in these documents. |
| 1:44.4 | Today we're talking about how certain states have responded |
| 1:47.4 | to what the January 6th committee dubbed the fake elector scheme. |
| 1:51.4 | In seven swing states that had voted for Biden in the 2020 election, there was a plan to create fraudulent, or some would claim alternative, slates of electors who would vote for Trump, and to send them to DC for the counting of the electoral votes on January 6. |
| 2:08.0 | Quinta, I am excited to talk with you about the fake electors scheme. Before we do I think we need to get |
| 2:16.2 | started with background because there is a lot to catch up on and I'm very |
| 2:21.1 | grateful that you and some of our student contributors published a piece in lawfare |
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