Lawfare Daily: What China Thinks of Military AI with Sam Bresnick
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🗓️ 11 July 2024
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Summary
Many Pentagon officials and U.S. lawmakers likely lay awake at night wondering what Chinese leaders think about the use of artificial intelligence in war.
On today’s episode, Sam Bresnick, a Research Fellow at Georgetown’s Center for Security and Emerging Technology joins Lawfare Managing Editor Tyler McBrien to begin to answer that very question and discuss his new report, “China’s Military AI Roadblocks: PRC Perspectives on Technological Challenges to Intelligentized Warfare.”
They discuss how Sam found and analyzed dozens of Chinese-language journal articles about AI and warfare, Beijing’s hopes for these new and emerging technologies, and what, in turn, keeps Chinese defense officials up at night as well.
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| 0:30.0 | We worry that China is catching up to us in China they worry that they are still behind us and that the gap may be widening however over the medium to long term they hope that they can use these AI technologies to leapfrog the United States and |
| 0:44.6 | come out on top militarily. It's the Law Fair Podcast. I'm Tyler McBryan, |
| 0:49.8 | managing editor of Law Fair. With Sam Bresnick, a research fellow at Georgetown's Center for |
| 0:54.7 | Security and Emerging Technology. |
| 0:56.6 | There are also a lot of concerns about China's ability to develop and deploy AI-enabled military systems because of difficulties |
| 1:06.2 | developing individual parts of a whole AI kill chain. |
| 1:11.0 | Today we're talking about Sam's new report, China's military AI roadblocks, and what |
| 1:16.2 | dozens of Chinese language journal articles reveal about how the People's Republic of China |
| 1:20.1 | thinks about the role of AI and warfare. |
| 1:23.5 | So Sam, you just published this report, |
| 1:26.4 | China's military AI roadblocks. |
| 1:29.1 | But before we get into the meat of some of the findings |
| 1:31.3 | and the methodology and how you did all of this. I want to explore a bit of the report's origins. |
| 1:36.0 | So, you know, why did you undertake this project and what kind of questions were you trying to answer? |
| 1:40.0 | Yeah, so the reason I undertook this report was because I was hearing two very |
| 1:45.9 | interesting and what I thought to be under substantiated claims about China's |
| 1:51.3 | AI military AI capabilities. |
| 1:54.0 | The first was that China is catching up to the United States or even pulling ahead of the United |
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