It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare with Lawfare Senior

editors Roger Parloff, Michael Feinberg, and Eric Columbus. In the January 9th episode of the

trials of the Trump administration, we talked about the shootings by ICE and CBP officers

in Minnesota and Portland, Oregon, what the Maduro indictment means for the Alien Enemies Act

cases and the disqualification of U.S. attorney and the disqualification of the U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of New York,

and so much more.

It is Friday, January 9th, 2026. it is 4 o'clock, PM Washington Time, and this is Lawfare Live,

the trials and tribulations of the Trump administration. I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare, and I am here with three

Lawfare senior editors, Eric Columbus, Michael Feinberg, and Roger Parloff, who all have in common

that they are male. And this is a very rare thing for lawfare to have an all-male panel. But our

female contributors are in transit today. They are. And so we are going to actually be an all-male panel today for the first time.

And I don't know how long.

Mike Feinberg, we are going to start with you because you are the person in the lawfare ecosystem who knows the most about using deadly force

and at least in the law enforcement context.

And it has been a really bad week for the use of deadly force in the law enforcement context.

We did a full podcast on the shooting in Minnesota the other day.

I don't want to rehash entirely that.

Let's refer people back to that podcast for those who want a deep dive on the Minnesota

shooting,

but there have been some development since then.

So bring us up to speed.

What happened in Minneapolis

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