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In Brazil, the idea that freedom of expression is not an absolute right is more

pacified than in the U.S., I would say.

So, Brazilians in general tend to understand a court decision that blocks a service that is widely used because it is

being taken to protect other fundamental rights.

It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Renee Duresta, contributing editor of Lawfare. I'm joined by

Joanne Barata, visiting professor at the Catholic University of Porto, Laiis Martens,

journalist at the Intercept Brazil and fellow at Tech Policy Press, and James Gergen,

advisor to the Ministry of Development, Industry, Trade and Services in Brazil.

I mean, if you question the fake news bill, then it seems that you are either defending Bolsonaro or the

big tech, whereas if you are on the left side, you're supposed to be in favor of the bill.

And I think that in terms of civil society and discussions, this has been a little bit problematic

in the country.

Bolsonaro is on trial, a Brazilian Supreme Court justice is under U.S. sanctions, tech laws are shifting fast, and Trump is imposing tariffs.

We're going to unpack what exactly is going on and talk about how Brazil became the front line in a global fight

over speech, sovereignty, and Silicon Valley.

As we record this, Brazil has just entered the verdict and sentencing phase of former President

Jair Bolsonaro's trial for his role in the January 8th, well, we would call it maybe an insurrection

here in the U.S., Brazil is January 6th moment,

and that trial is colliding with an extraordinary series of developments here in the U.S.

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