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It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Kevin Frazier, assistant professor at St. Thomas University

College of Law and a Tarbell fellow at Lawfare, joined by Sam Manning of Gov AI.

As these systems become more capable in both their benefits and their risks become more

salient to a wider range of actors around the world, the need for international agreements

on AI governance may, you know, become increasingly necessary.

Today we're diving into the complex landscape of AI's economic impacts and potential policy solutions, drawing on Sam's recent work.

We'll be discussing his research on designing policy options to help

ensure that advanced AI can foster broadly shared economic prosperity. Sam, I am fascinated by your

scholarship. You are very much looking at the important future questions of AI's development and

deployment. And I just want to start there.

There's some folks who are fearful that we may be eventually heading into a sort of AI winter

or perhaps we're going to experience an AI bubble. Why do you think it's important or what gives

you a sort of rationale for why we should be exploring

these future questions of how AI is going to shape society?

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