Lawfare Daily: Law Enforcement Hacking as a Tool Against Transnational Cyber Crime
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🗓️ 14 May 2024
⏱️ 47 minutes
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Summary
The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) reported that the United States lost a record $12.5 billion to various types of cyber crime in 2023. Law enforcement hacking is one tool increasingly used to combat transnational cyber crime. Stephanie Pell, Senior Editor at Lawfare, sat down with Gavin Wilde, Senior Fellow in the Technology and International Affairs Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, and Emma Landi, Research Assistant in the Technology and International Affairs Program at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace, to talk about their new paper exploring law enforcement efforts to “hack the hackers” in the fight against cyber crime. They talked about the types of hacking operations performed by law enforcement, when law enforcement may be better suited to address the actions of malicious cyber actors as compared with the military and private sector, and some of the major policy questions posed by law enforcement hacking.
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| 1:03.0 | If we're still in early phases in thinking about this from a military to military and state to state context, |
| 1:12.0 | we need a lot more, as I say, kind of policy scaffolding if we're |
| 1:17.4 | going to start waiting into the law enforcement-led operations. It's the Law Fair Podcast. |
| 1:25.0 | I'm Stephanie Pell, senior editor at Law Fair |
| 1:28.0 | with Gavin Wilde, senior fellow in the Technology |
| 1:32.0 | and International Affairs Program at the Carnegie Endowment for |
| 1:36.3 | International Peace, and Emma Landy, research assistant in the Technology and International affairs program at the Carnegie Endowment for |
| 1:45.8 | International Peace. |
| 1:47.8 | Each time a multinational group of law enforcement agencies get together and do one of these take down, they're establishing |
| 1:56.0 | trust and they're building muscle memory to make the next one easier. |
| 2:00.8 | Today we're talking about law enforcement hacking as a tool against transnational |
| 2:06.7 | cyber crime. |
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