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Lawfare Daily: Janet Egan and Lennart Heim on the AI Diffusion Rule

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🗓️ 17 January 2025

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Janet Egan, Senior Fellow at the Center for a New American Security (CNAS) and Lennart Heim, an AI researcher at RAND, join Kevin Frazier, a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare, to analyze the interim final rule on AI diffusion announced by the Bureau of Industry and Security on January 13, 2025. This fourth-quarter effort by the Biden Administration to shape AI policy may have major ramifications on the global race for AI dominance. 

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In addition, it also controlled certain AI model weights, prominently not public model weights,

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and only model weights trained with more than 10 to the power of 26.

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Training flop, this means no, there's no publicly existing model right now.

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And then I think when it gets a lot of press, it covers the whole world.

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I think what the U.S. administration, the current one is hedging on and what the future one might

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also place bets on is that this particular supply chain for these advanced AI chips is so narrow

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