Lawfare Daily: Grand Conspiracy with Molly Roberts
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🗓️ 20 January 2026
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Lawfare Senior Editor Molly Roberts joins Editor in Chief Benjamin Wittes to discuss her new article on the so-called “grand conspiracy” investigation, which is now the subject of a grand jury probe in Florida. The “grand conspiracy” posits that a single conspiracy to foil President Trump’s electoral prospects binds together the Russia investigation from 2016, the Mar-a-Lago search, and the Jan. 6 and classified documents prosecutions during the Biden administration.
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| 0:00.0 | Our understanding is that there is a sitting grand jury investigating this, and we have to take it seriously because that means that the people it's investigating are possibly going to end up in a courtroom defending themselves against these charges if that grand jury issues an indictment. |
| 0:18.1 | It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm Benjamin Wittes, editor-in-chief of Lawfare, with Lawfare Senior Editor Molly Roberts. |
| 0:27.9 | We know, and we have reports already on the interference, collusion, investigations from |
| 0:33.7 | multiple sources that haven't found that there was any of this sort of malfeasance |
| 0:38.2 | that the prosecutors will ostensibly be describing. |
| 0:42.5 | So why do they think they'll be able to show facts contrary to that? |
| 0:47.0 | Today we're talking grand conspiracies, not little conspiracies, |
| 0:51.5 | not ones that only take a short period of time, |
| 0:54.0 | but really big ones that go on forever and ever and ever. |
| 0:59.5 | We wouldn't be talking about it, folks, except that a grand jury in the Southern District of Florida is hearing evidence on this matter, and by the way, is being supervised by Judge Eileen Cannon. |
| 1:13.9 | So, Molly, what is a grand conspiracy? |
| 1:18.3 | I believe it's a conspiracy that's really, really, really super extra big. |
| 1:23.7 | You want to know what the grand conspiracy is or what A great? |
| 1:26.1 | Well, yeah, I mean, I think this is the first time we've ever done a podcast on a grand |
| 1:31.8 | conspiracy as opposed to merely a conspiracy. And I want the listenership to understand what the |
| 1:41.5 | difference is. Well, of course, this one involves Donald Trump, so it has to be grand. |
| 1:46.8 | The grand conspiracy in this case is a plot so large scale that it spans multiple elections. |
| 1:58.5 | It ties together officials you'd never think would be tied together. |
| 2:02.3 | Basically, it's a conspiracy that's outside the bounds of a usual conspiracy case because the |
| 2:07.6 | people involved in it don't really plausibly seem to have been able to enter into an agreement at all. |
| 2:15.0 | All right. It sounds like you're making fun of the grand conspiracy and that I'm |
| 2:20.7 | also making fun of the grand conspiracy. So let's start with the question of why we're taking |
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