Lawfare Daily: Cullen O’Keefe on "Chips for Peace”—AI Supply Chain Governance
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🗓️ 26 July 2024
⏱️ 45 minutes
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Cullen O’Keefe, Research Director at the Institute for Law and AI, joins Kevin Frazier, Assistant Professor at St. Thomas University College of Law and a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare, to discuss a novel AI governance framework. The two analyze Cullen’s recent Lawfare essay in which he details how regulation of AI supply chains by the U.S. and its allies could promote the safe development of AI. Their conversation also explores the feasibility of this and related governance proposals amid geopolitical turbulence and congressional stagnation.
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| 0:30.0 | Ah, she's brilliant. Miss, I finally got plans out the group chat. We get it. Four votes for a festival, |
| 0:38.0 | three for a city break. It's hard to adhere to everyone's needs. There's Betty with her oversized tent, Sarah and her six foot eight boyfriend. |
| 0:45.2 | All right. Roger Junior and his dog Roger Senior. And don't get us started on Mel. |
| 0:51.4 | But like a marriage counselor, she's the one keeping things together. |
| 0:54.8 | All aboard Miss I finally got plans out the group chat. |
| 0:57.6 | Keep everyone's plans alive when you travel with us. |
| 1:00.1 | P, and O'Ferees, that is another way. |
| 1:16.4 | If we're going to create a network that will simultaneously allow this technology to be deployed when it is safe to do so and also to prevent unsafe deployments or unsafe usages of the technology that we will be able to do that |
| 1:22.3 | most effectively if we have broad cooperation from a large |
| 1:25.7 | number of countries. |
| 1:28.4 | It's the Law Fair Podcast. |
| 1:29.9 | I'm Kevin Frazier, assistant professor at St Thomas University College of Law and a Tarbell |
| 1:34.7 | fellow at law fair with Colin O'Keefe, research director at the Institute for Law and |
| 1:39.8 | AI. |
| 1:41.6 | And so you have a case where the company that makes the best AI that is good at |
| 1:46.0 | automating AI research is able to much more quickly expand the capabilities of its AI system and it's kind of unclear what |
| 1:55.1 | the limits or bottleneck factors to that are. Today we're talking about Colin's |
| 1:59.8 | recent proposal to govern AI through regulating its supply chain. |
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