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The Lawfare Podcast

Lawfare Daily: Chinny Sharma and Yonathan Arbel on the Promises and Perils of Open-Source AI

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🗓️ 8 July 2024

⏱️ 53 minutes

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Summary

Chinny Sharma, Associate Professor at Fordham Law School, and Yonathan Arbel, co-director of the Center for Law and AI Risk and Associate Professor of Law at Alabama Law, join Kevin Frazier, a Tarbell Fellow at Lawfare, to discuss open-source AI. This engaging conversation dives into the origins of open source, its meaning in the AI context, and why attempts to regulate open-source AI have drawn passionate responses from across the AI community.

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become a material supporter of Lawfair at Patreon.com slash Lawfair. That's Patreon.com

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It's possible for a powerful player to in theory make something open, but not actually be doing it in a way that's supposed to serve the end goal of like collaborative deliberative public input into

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how something is designed for the public benefit and instead is doing it more in a

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way that it benefits themselves. It's the Law Fair Podcast.

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I'm Kevin Frazier, a Tarbell fellow at Law Fair with Chini Sharma, associate professor at

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Fordham Law School, and Janiton Arbel, co-director of the Center for Law and AI Risk, an associate professor at Alabama

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law.

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If we take these concerns seriously, there is a reason to worry about the free dissemination of models to every person on the planet,

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no matter their set of values, their commitments, and, you know, their goals.

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Today we're talking about open source AI, its meaning, its costs and benefits, and its future

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amid an uncertain regulatory environment.

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A tale as old as tech is a struggle to democratize access to the latest innovations

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while also making sure that access to technology is sufficiently regulated. A new chapter in that

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tale has unfolded. Depending on who you ask, open source AI might be increasing the

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odds of catastrophic risk, a praise-worthy example of the democratization increasing the to try to get to the root of what open source AI means, the legal and policy ramifications

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of open source AI, and some predictions about where AI development and deployment may be

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headed.

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Jenny, let's start with you.

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Can you speak to the idea of what open source means generally?

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