Lawfare Archive: Trump Takes Aim at TikTok and WeChat
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🗓️ 27 May 2024
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From August 12, 2020: President Trump recently issued executive orders aimed at banning TikTok and WeChat from operating in the United States. To discuss the sanction, Bobby Chesney sat down with Dr. Sheena Chestnut Greitens, an associate professor at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin and a faculty affiliate with the Strauss Center for International Security and Law and the Clements Center for National Security at UT; and Dr. Ronald Deibert, a professor of political science and the founder and director of The Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto's Munk School of Global Affairs and Public Policy. In addition to the executive orders concerning TikTok and WeChat, they also discussed the larger U.S.-China relationship and the role of technology competition in that space.
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| 0:25.2 | Lawfare No Bull, and The Aftermath. |
| 0:44.4 | I'm Maya Nicholson, Internet Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare Archive for May 27th, |
| 0:50.7 | 2004. On May 7th, TikTok filed a lawsuit against the government for legislation passed that would ban TikTok in the United States unless bite dance divested from the company. |
| 0:55.1 | Their argument is that the legislation violates TikToks and its 150 million users First Amendment rights. |
| 1:01.9 | The lawsuit raises many questions regarding the targeting of a company through legislation, U.S.-China relations, and more. |
| 1:08.7 | For today's episode, I chose an episode from August 20th, 2020. |
| 1:13.2 | In the episode, Bobby Chesney sat down with Sheena Chestnut Greatens to discuss executive orders |
| 1:18.6 | issued by former President Trump in 2020, which aimed to ban TikTok and WeChat from operating |
| 1:24.2 | in the United States. They discussed the U.S.-China relationship, the role of |
| 1:28.4 | technology competition in that space, and more. |
| 1:41.7 | I'm Professor Bobby Chesney from the University of Texas at Austin, as well as Lawfare in the National Security Law Podcast. |
| 1:48.7 | This is the Lawfare podcast, August 12, 2020. |
| 1:53.1 | I sat down with Dr. Sheena Chestnut Gridens and Dr. Ron Dibert to discuss President Trump's decision to sanction TikTok and WeChat. Dr. Gridens is an associate |
| 2:02.8 | professor at the LBJ School of Public Affairs here at UT, and a faculty affiliate at the |
| 2:08.2 | Strauss Center and the Clement Center at UT. Her work focuses on East Asia, American National |
| 2:13.5 | Security, authoritarian politics and foreign policy. Dr. Debert is a professor of political |
| 2:19.1 | science and the founder and director of the Citizen Lab at the University of Toronto's Monk School |
| 2:25.0 | of Global Affairs and Public Policy. The Citizen Lab undertakes interdisciplinary research on digital |
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