Lawfare Archive: Inside Ukraine’s Drone Campaign Against Russia

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🗓️ 24 August 2025

⏱️ 39 minutes

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From August 1, 2024: Anastasiia Lapatina is a Kyiv-based Ukraine Fellow at Lawfare. Marcel Plichta is a Fellow at the Centre for Global Law and Governance at the University of St. Andrews, and a former analyst at the U.S. Department of Defense who currently works as an instructor at the Grey Dynamics Intelligence School.

For this episode, Lapatina sat down with Plichta to discuss Ukraine’s ongoing drone campaign against Russia, Ukraine’s choice of targets deep inside Russian territory, and the future of drone warfare around the world.

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0:00.0	The following podcast contains advertising.
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0:18.2	Also, check out Lawfare's other podcast offerings, Rational Security, Chatter, Lawfare No Bull,
0:26.4	and The Aftermath.
0:47.1	I'm Mary Ford, intern at Lawfare, with an episode for the Lawfare Archive for August 24, 2025.
0:53.1	This week, President Trump met with Ukrainian president Vladimir Zelensky in the Oval Office.
0:58.2	While the exchange seemed much friendlier than Zelensky's Oval Office visit in February,
1:03.6	the two leaders didn't make concrete progress on peace negotiations in the Russian-Ukraine war.
1:07.5	The meeting followed on the heels of Trump's summit in Anchorage, Alaska, with Russian President Vladimir Putin.
1:10.6	For today's archive episode, I selected an episode from August 1st, 2024, in which Anastasia
1:17.2	La Patina sat down with a former analyst for the U.S. Department of Defense, Marcel Plitsta,
1:23.7	to discuss Ukraine's drone campaign against Russia, Ukraine's choice of targets inside Russia,
1:29.5	the future of drone warfare, and more.
1:43.2	It's the Lawfare. I'm Anastasia Lapitna, Ukraine fellow at Lawfare with Marcel
1:49.3	Plitjta, a fellow at the Center for Global Law and Governance at the University of St. Andrews,
1:54.6	and a former analyst at the U.S. Department of Defense, who currently works as an instructor
1:59.2	at the Gray Dynamics Intelligence School.
2:02.0	I think it's something that benefits Ukraine is to keep pushing what the maximum potential range is,
2:08.0	because that increases the number of things that Russia has to worry about defending.
2:12.3	Every extra kilometer of range means that there's another factory, another substation, another oil refinery,
2:19.1	another military target airfield to worry about.
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