Lawfare Archive: Big Tech and Law Enforcement, with Lukas Bundonis
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🗓️ 16 November 2025
⏱️ 50 minutes
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From August 9, 2024: On today's episode, Lawfare's Fellow in Technology Policy and Law Eugenia Lostri speaks with Senior Privacy Engineer at Netflix and former Army Reserve intelligence officer, Lukas Bundonis. They talked about the relationship between law enforcement and tech companies, what that relationship looks like in the U.S. and other countries, and the different ways in which that communication can be politicized.
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| 0:00.0 | Nearly every news alert in 2025 has raised questions, some old, some new, about the law and national security. |
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| 0:51.0 | I'm Isabella Royal, Internate Lawfare, with an episode from the Lawfare Archive for November 16th, 2025. On October 6th, the Brookings Institution released a report |
| 0:56.0 | on how immigration enforcement agencies are scaling up use of a range of technological tools |
| 1:00.3 | to monitor immigrants, including facial recognition technologies, social media scanning, |
| 1:05.3 | autonomous border surveillance towers, and artificial intelligence-powered hurricane scores, |
| 1:10.1 | intended to assess the likelihood |
| 1:11.4 | that an immigrant will fail to check in for an agency appointment. |
| 1:14.8 | For today's archive, I selected an episode from August 9, 2004, in which O'Henia Lostrey |
| 1:19.7 | sat down with Lucas Bondonis to discuss the relationship between law enforcement and tech |
| 1:24.2 | companies, what that relationship looks like in other countries, |
| 1:31.7 | how communication between tech companies and law enforcement can be politicized, and more. |
| 1:47.1 | It's the Lawfare podcast. I'm O'Hinia Dohtri, Lawfers Fellow in Technology Policy and Law, |
| 1:53.9 | with senior privacy engineer at Netflix and former Army's Reserve Intelligence Officer, Lucas Bantonis. |
| 2:01.8 | Like, when the news says it's a tough time out there for data protection, it is partially because of machine learning, |
| 2:06.7 | partially because of like a vague slide towards populism and authoritarianism in many parts of the world, it doesn't mean we should stop trying. |
| 2:10.0 | Today, we're talking about the relationship between law enforcement and tech companies, |
| 2:15.0 | what that relationship looks like in the U.S. and other countries, and the |
| 2:18.8 | different ways in which that communication can be politicized. So, Lucas, you sit in a very |
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