Hello, this is Emma Ganon, and thank you for listening to this podcast. I just wanted to let you know that my new book, The Success Myth, Letting Go of Having It All, is out on May the 18th.

I think it's my best book yet, so I'm excited for it to come out. And the book unpicks the eight success myths from happiness, to money, to productivity, to celebrity, to the idea of finally arriving, and how chasing a version of success that doesn't align with your values can really take you off track.

And this book is about getting back to yourself, breaking free, finding a new way forward.

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Hello, and welcome back to Control Out Delete. This is a replay episode with the brilliant Laura Muka, an ex lawyer, author, and award-winning poet and speaker.

Her first book, Love Factually, not only got a brilliant endorsement from Richard Curtis himself, but it's a result of 10 years of interviews about love and relationships with hundreds of strangers aged from 8 to 95 years old across the world, and it really is fascinating.

So I hope you enjoy this exploration of love, attachments, and everything in between. I really enjoy chatting to her.

So if you enjoyed it too, please do go and leave a review somewhere. I'd really appreciate it.

Thank you for writing this brilliant book. I absolutely loved it. And I actually got the hard back version and I've got the paperback version and they're both beautiful, but slightly different, aren't they?

Yeah, so this one's called We Need to Talk About Love, and the hardback was called Love Factually. And it's been slightly heartbreaking to change the title because I feel like I have quite a lot of people getting touched going, I can't buy love actually.

And I'm like, I mean, sorry, it's cool. And this was called something else in the US. And so in the future, I think I'm just going to be really, really firm with publishers and go, I just want the one title.

I love it. It just looks like on Amazon, you've written like 10 books on love. It's very impressive.

I would love to start off by just saying how much of your wonderful voice comes through in it and the storytelling and you're just enthusiasm for the topic.

And I know that probably sounds obvious because who can write, you know, 80,000 words or whatever without being obsessed with it, but you are quite literally obsessed with this topic, aren't you?

And you spent 10 years interviewing anyone and everyone.

Yeah, it is a bit, it's a bit sad when I think, yeah, so I just didn't understand it growing up. I think I didn't understand it consciously, but I think also there was some subconscious stuff going on.

So I was brought up by my mum and grandparents and my granddad, who I called dad died when I was 11.

So I then, like, consciously, the story is I didn't have a romantic relationship to observe, but subconsciously I lost a parent figure. That's a really big deal. And I still will probably be processing that, although I think I've done a lot of the processing.

So I ended up like interviewing anyone. I mean, it wouldn't have called it interviewing as a teenager. It was interrogating and being a nosy Parker.

But I wasn't doing it really to be nosy. I was doing it to try and understand. And then I, I mean, I just, I did this with so many people.

I mean, pretty much everyone. And people would say, oh, here she goes again, like, yeah, and I didn't know, it was something I didn't know that I did.

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