Hey, I'm Jonathan Kapart, and this week on Cape Up, we've got something special.

Now, it's not coming out until Friday, but you'll understand when you hear why. Are you ready?

I spoke with Mark Hamill.

That's right, V Mark Hamill, like Luke Luke Skywalker. So obviously I couldn't have him on the show and not

take the opportunity to publish it on May the 4th. You know, Star Wars Day? That's this Friday. Now you know Mark embodies a story that defined a generation,

a story about hope fighting back against dark and oppressive forces. So to tide you over until Friday, we got political and recorded a short conversation about leadership and democracy.

Where do you begin? The constant turnover among senior leadership.

It seems like every week, every few minutes.

Someone is being dragged out by their feet.

It's just, how does he expect to maintain control

without the bureaucracy? He thinks if he gets a leader in the room with him he can just

wave his hand and get him to say yes. Proposterous and again keeps trying to put his immediate family members into positions of way too much power

and have said some things about his daughter that just seem not ideal

blew up her planet but what? about his daughter that just seemed not ideal.

Blue Upper Planet.

What?

What?

Oh no, we're talking about different things.

Okay, we're going to need a minute to get on the same page here.

Come back on Friday for the full Star Wars Day interview with Mark,

where we talk about Mark's career, why Star Wars still resonates so strongly, and he shares some stories

from Star Wars history that you might not have heard before. So check back on May the 4th. In the meantime,

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