Hi everybody, welcome back to the Be There In Five Podcast. I'm Kate Kennedy, your host.

I live in Chicago. I'm obviously a podcaster, a pop culture commentator. Written a book.

I had an entrepreneurial venture of the same name that kind of got me on the map originally.

So today's podcast, I want to start by saying, I know this is super long. I have a long

form podcast and usually it's about two to two and a half hours because I started a podcast.

In the essence of what I loved about podcasts the most, which is that they keep people company.

And usually I do two parts when I take on a big topic, but I was like hard pressed to

make this one episode, but I don't know, whatever. It's like the same length as a Roganek episode.

So like, please leave me alone, but I do acknowledge this one's a little longer than usual.

So break it up into pieces. You don't finish it all in one swoop and just, you know, thank

you for your understanding. But there's a lot of ground to cover here and a lot of people

wrote in that they were interested in this topic. So today's topic is kind of an intersection

of two series I have in the Mormon mom blog Empire series from 2019. And I'd also see

the Rachel Hollis in the Rose-Clarer Glass ceiling episodes that kind of inspired that

vent diagram. And this won't be redundant. This is just an extension of that. Kind of,

or last week talking about Lula Rose co-opting of female empowerment, you know, to serve purposes

that do the opposite and reinforce women to stay in the same place. Like in Lula Rose context,

it was to sell holy leggings and a, you know, holier than that ideologies about where

women belong in the home. But today I want to talk about people who kind of co-opt this

girl boss messaging, not in a way that's telling you to be your own boss like an MLM or be

your best self like in self help, rather to be your own contractor. People who in their

Instagram bios with hundreds of thousands, if not millions of followers claim that power

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