Welcome to the global phenomenon, Surviving the Survivor, where we bring you the best guests in all of true crime.

Here's your host, Emmy Award winning journalist Joel Waldman.

What's up, SCS Nation?

Welcome to another episode of Surviving the Survivor.

It is the podcast that promises to bring you the very best guests in all of true crime.

It is not a tagline.

We deliver daily thanks in large part to Steve Cohen, otherwise known as Meeb Mowen,

who books the majority of our guests.

And today is an interesting panel, and I'm excited to get cracking a quick programming

note before we start. Following this show, excuse me, at 9 p.m. Eastern, we're going to do a special

show about the fires raging in Los Angeles, as you all know. Space Coast on the West Coast is in L.A. My mother-in-law's in L.A. The COE is from L.A.

Many of our friends and family members have been displaced and so it's very close to the heart.

And we're going to donate all super chats during that show to a foundation in Los Angeles, probably the Los Angeles Fire Department Foundation, of which we have the president coming on, as well as a former wild fire firefighter and possibly a psychologist who herself was displaced and had to evacuate.

So thinking of the people in Los Angeles, but we're going to do a show right now on what

happened in Lechard County, Kentucky.

There's a sheriff there by the name of Mickey Steins.

He was actually the bailiff under a judge named Kevin Mullins for 10 years.

Kevin Mullins, 54.

Mickey Steins, I believe, is around 43 years old.

Well, on September 19th of this past year, not just a few months ago,

Sheriff Steins opens fire shooting judges. of this past year, not just a few months ago,

Sheriff Steins opens fire shooting Judge Kevin Mullen's eight times and killing him in his own judge's chamber.

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