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The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Late-stage liberalism

The Gray Area with Sean Illing

Vox Media Podcast Network

Society & Culture, News, Politics, News Commentary, Philosophy

4.610.8K Ratings

🗓️ 27 November 2023

⏱️ 57 minutes

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Summary

Sean Illing is joined by John Gray, political philosopher and author of the new book, The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism. They discuss Thomas Hobbes and the origins of liberalism, the current state of democracy, and the very uncertain future of the global liberal order. Host: Sean Illing (@seanilling), host, The Gray Area Guest: John Gray, author and political philosopher References: The New Leviathans: Thoughts After Liberalism by John Gray (Farrar, Straus and Giroux, 2023) Leviathan by Thomas Hobbes (1651) Enjoyed this episode? Rate The Gray Area ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ and leave a review on Apple Podcasts. Subscribe for free. Be the first to hear the next episode of The Gray Area by subscribing in your favorite podcast app. Support The Gray Area by making a financial contribution to Vox! bit.ly/givepodcasts This episode was made by: Engineer: Patrick Boyd Deputy Editorial Director, Vox Talk: A.M. Hall Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:10.3

The Life of man is solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short.

1:20.0

Those are the words of the great and now infamous Thomas Hobbs, the 17th century English philosopher.

1:27.0

You can find them in his 1651 book, The Leviathan, which is often considered the founding text of modern political philosophy.

1:36.7

Hobbs's big contribution was to challenge the right of kings and religious authorities to rule. The foundation of political power, for him, was the consent of the governed.

1:50.0

And the only reason to hand over authority to the state or anyone else for that matter

1:55.7

was for the protection of the individual.

1:59.1

If that sounds familiar, it's because it is. That's basically the political philosophy that came to

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