This is exactly right.

This is Kate Winkler Dawson, inviting you to listen to brand new episodes of my true crime talk show, Wicked Words.

On each new episode, I interview journalists, podcasters, and filmmakers about the fascinating behind-the-scenes stories from their investigations

into the world of true crime, many of which have never been shared before. So join me and a new

special guest each week for new episodes of wicked words as we dive deep into the stories behind

the stories. New episodes of wicked words are available now wherever you get your podcasts.

I'm Kate Winkler-Dawson.

I'm a journalist who's spent the last 25 years writing about true crime.

And I'm Paul Holes, a retired cold case investigator

who's worked some of America's most complicated cases and solve them. Each week, I present Paul

with one of history's most compelling true crimes. And I weigh in using modern forensic techniques

to bring new insights to old mysteries. Together using our individual expertise, we're examining historical true crime cases through a 21st century lens.

Some are solved, and some are cold, very cold.

This is a moment. Hey, Paul.

Hey, Kate.

How's it going?

This is a momentous day because this is our anniversary.

Can you believe it?

Did I forget something here?

Uh-oh.

I'm in trouble, aren't I?

Your poor wife, you are.

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