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LAST SHOT IN ANGER: 8/8: Lincoln's Peace: The Struggle to End the American Civil War Hardcover – Illustrated, March 18, 2025 by Michael Vorenberg

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🗓️ 28 June 2025

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LAST SHOT IN ANGER: 8/8: Lincoln's Peace: The Struggle to End the American Civil War Hardcover – Illustrated, March 18, 2025 
by  Michael Vorenberg  

1865  MCLEAN FAMILY AUGUST

https://www.amazon.com/Lincolns-Peace-Struggle-American-Civil/dp/1524733172

We set out on the James River, March 25, 1865, aboard the paddle steamboat River Queen. President Lincoln is on his way to General Grant’s headquarters at City Point, Virginia, and he’s decided he won’t return to Washington until he’s witnessed, or perhaps even orchestrated, the end of the Civil War. Now, it turns out, more than a century and a half later, historians are still searching for that end.

Was it April 9, at Appomattox, as conventional wisdom holds, where Lee surrendered to Grant in Wilmer McLean’s parlor? Or was it ten weeks afterward, in Galveston, where a federal commander proclaimed Juneteenth the end of slavery? Or perhaps in August of 1866, when President Andrew Johnson simply declared “the insurrection is at an end”? That the answer was elusive was baffling even to a historian of the stature of Michael Vorenberg, whose work served as a key source of Steven Spielberg’s Lincoln. Vorenbergwas inspired to write this groundbreaking book, finding its title in the peace Lincoln hoped for but could not make before his assassination. A peace that required not one but many endings, as Vorenberg reveals in these pages, the most important of which came well more than a year after Lincoln’s untimely death. 

To say how a war ends is to suggest how it should be remembered, and Vorenberg’s search is not just for the Civil War’s endpoint but for its true nature and legacy, so essential to the American identity. It’s also a quest, in our age of “forever wars,” to understand whether the United States's interminable conflicts of the current era have a precedent in the Civil War—and whether, in a sense, wars ever end at all, or merely wax and wane.

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0:00.0

I'm John Batchewith, Professor Michael Vorenberg.

0:07.7

The book is Lincoln's Peace, The Struggle to End the American Civil War.

0:10.7

The future is Ulysses Grand, General and Chief of the Army.

0:15.0

The man at the time was untouchable.

0:17.6

Untouchable.

0:18.8

However, his personality was such. As the, as a professor reports, he's caught

0:23.3

between these forces, Johnson, Stanton, and Wells, the Secretary of the Navy, who disregarded

0:30.4

Stanton, thought he was a bully. Actually, suspected he wanted to be president. And grants

0:35.3

in between all three of these. Now, and there are many more of,

0:39.5

I'm just naming three of the personalities, very strong. Grant has talked into going on the swing

0:45.5

around the circle with Johnson. He regrets it. Johnson misbehaves all during those speeches.

0:52.2

Did Grant learn from that about being president? Did Grant just

0:56.1

shut his ears to it? Did he remember it afterwards, Professor?

1:00.9

Grant would be the next president after Johnson. I like to think he learned a lot about what

1:07.4

not to do as president from Johnson. Grant would have his own problems as president of a different sort as president.

1:15.5

He would get involved in scandals.

1:19.1

Mainly his inferiors would get involved in scandals.

1:23.0

And that has to do, I mentioned that because to my mind,

1:26.4

one of the reasons why Grant ends up being known,

1:31.3

his presidency is known for being wreaked by scandal, is that Grant is loyal to a fault to the people

1:40.7

who have been loyal to him. And, and I say to a fault because it ends up getting him in trouble as president.

1:48.3

But now if we go back in time to 1865-66, that loyalty is crucial.

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