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LAST SHOT IN ANGER: 1/8: Lincoln's Peace: The Struggle to End the American Civil War Hardcover – Illustrated, March 18, 2025 by Michael Vorenberg

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🗓️ 28 June 2025

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LAST SHOT IN ANGER: 1/8: Lincoln's Peace: The Struggle to End the American Civil War Hardcover – Illustrated, March 18, 2025 
by  Michael Vorenberg  

1865 APPOMATOX RIVER


https://www.amazon.com/Lincolns-Peace-Struggle-American-Civil/dp/1524733172

We set out on the James River, March 25, 1865, aboard the paddle steamboat River Queen. President Lincoln is on his way to General Grant’s headquarters at City Point, Virginia, and he’s decided he won’t return to Washington until he’s witnessed, or perhaps even orchestrated, the end of the Civil War. Now, it turns out, more than a century and a half later, historians are still searching for that end.

Was it April 9, at Appomattox, as conventional wisdom holds, where Lee surrendered to Grant in Wilmer McLean’s parlor? Or was it ten weeks afterward, in Galveston, where a federal commander proclaimed Juneteenth the end of slavery? Or perhaps in August of 1866, when President Andrew Johnson simply declared “the insurrection is at an end”? That the answer was elusive was baffling even to a historian of the stature of Michael Vorenberg, whose work served as a key source of Steven Spielberg’s Lincoln. Vorenbergwas inspired to write this groundbreaking book, finding its title in the peace Lincoln hoped for but could not make before his assassination. A peace that required not one but many endings, as Vorenberg reveals in these pages, the most important of which came well more than a year after Lincoln’s untimely death. 

To say how a war ends is to suggest how it should be remembered, and Vorenberg’s search is not just for the Civil War’s endpoint but for its true nature and legacy, so essential to the American identity. It’s also a quest, in our age of “forever wars,” to understand whether the United States's interminable conflicts of the current era have a precedent in the Civil War—and whether, in a sense, wars ever end at all, or merely wax and wane.

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0:00.0

This is CBS Eye on the World.

0:08.5

Here's John Batchelor.

0:11.5

This is CBS, I on the World.

0:14.3

I'm John Batchel.

0:15.5

It is April 1865, Appomattox Courthouse, the afternoon. After a battle that morning that saw the Union

0:24.6

surround what's left of the Army of Northern Virginia, the attempt to break out, the Butternet line came

0:31.0

on one more time. The Union was backed up not only with the Cavalry Corps, Sheridan's, but one or two infantry regiments

0:40.8

that had marched all night and were on the field. The guns momentarily paused, and then they

0:48.1

fell silent. The two men meeting at Appomattox Courthouse, you know them very well.

0:55.2

Ulysses Grant, commander-in-chief of all the armies, of the Union, and Robert E. Lee, commander of the Army of Northern Virginia.

1:04.7

I welcome Michael Vorenberg, professor at Brown University, and most importantly the author of the new book

1:11.0

Lincoln's Peace, The Struggle to End the American Civil War. Here at Appomattox Courthouse

1:17.6

is an event about to spill out that I was taught, and to my knowledge everyone educated in the

1:24.3

20th century was taught, was the end of the Civil War, the war between

1:29.1

the states. However, Professor, a very good evening to you. Congratulations. We're watching Lee and

1:36.6

Grant sit together, waiting for a draft of their resolution that day. What are we watching

1:44.1

for and what is the debating point about the end of the war?

1:50.0

Good evening to you.

1:51.7

Good evening, John, and thank you for having me on the show and for doing this episode about the book.

1:59.6

But as you say, also about Appomattox, if I happen to be coming to you from Appomattox,

2:08.6

Virginia today, because this is when Appomattox Courthouse National Park is commemorating

2:17.0

the surrender of Robert E. Lee. It is the 160th anniversary

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