You know who has the most credibility on this story here?

I'm going to show you guys something that's even going to spook you a little bit. Okay. Okay. Tell me who hates Trump the most. The last 10 years since 2016, can you tell me who hates Trump the most? By the way, that's a long list. No, no, but I want you to go who was close ally, who hates him the most. You're going to play Nancy Pelosi. No, I'm not going to play that's a close.

That's a good clip.

I'm not going to play Nancy Pelosi. I'm not going to play Pelosi. You're not going to be able to guess what I'm going to play. His old fixer, Michael. Michael Cohen. Okay, right, play this clip. Watch this year. Okay. What can you speak to about your time with Donald Trump as it relates to Jeffrey Epstein, if at all.

So actually, I fell into Trump's orbit around 2005, but I became part of the Trump organization

as the Executive Vice President and Special Counsel in 2007.

From the time that I started to the time that I finished in 2018, I actually never heard him mention Jeffrey Epstein

at all. I never saw Jeffrey Epstein in the office when I was one of the 10,000 hours in Trump's

office doing work with him. I never heard Jeffrey Epstein on the phone or even call into the office.

There was no relationship from the time that I started at the org to the time that I left.

And so how do you then, when you kind of look at what is transpiring now and the way he's handling it,

what do you make of the way he's handling it, the reason why this scandal, if you will, this controversy, this individual has

captivated so much attention and raised a lot of serious, legitimate questions.

Sure, because that's what they campaigned on. That's what he sold to his MAGA base.

He was going to release the Epstein files. He was going to release the Martin Luther King files.

He was going to release the John F. Kennedy files. He chose not to. It's a mistake. He should

have just released the full file because by not doing that, all it does is create these conspiracy theories.

Oh, he must be guilty of something. See, this is the part. Michael Cohen,

Vinny, like you tell me why Michael Cohen, who on any chance he's gotten to lie to destroy him,

he's done it, that this probably for him, as weird as it sound, he has the most credibility on this topic the last 20 years to say with you. I know this sounds very weird. Because he's been around him. He has zero credibility. But you know what I mean on credibility with this? But I understand what you're saying. He would be the last person you would expect. He would be the last person to defend. Of course. This is an easy slam dunk for you to say, well, you know, there was that one time I was

sitting next door and he picked up a call and he made some jokes about underage.

And I felt very uncomfortable.

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