I'm John Batchew with Professor Eugene Finkel.

His book is Intent to Destroy, Russia's 200-year quest to dominate Ukraine.

This book will very much help those making decisions about the Ukraine war now.

It would have helped if Bill Clinton had read this book in 1994 before he obliged

Ukraine to give away its nuclear weapons, before they were certain that Russia wasn't a

revengeous power, as we know it to be. At the same time, I don't mean to delve into irony too

much, but oft-times, Professor, I come up against the Americans in the telling.

First time, John Quincy Adams is the ambassador to the court of Catherine the Great.

Doesn't understand it, but spend some time there, and he's a very smart man.

The second time is when Herbert Hoover's need to feed people in Europe also feeds the Soviets.

Otherwise, they would have starved out of existence during the period between 17 and 21.

The third time is important to me.

Walter Durante lying about the Holodomor.

So Americans have been involved in several centuries of the tragedy of Ukraine.

I want to race to Khrushchev. He's not Ukrainian, but he's from the Kursk region. So is Brezhnev.

Does that influence his decision-making about Ukraine? Well, so you're right.

Prushev was born in what is now Russia just across the border from Ukraine, but he actually

grew up in Ukraine.

And until he became or before he became the Secretary General, most of his career was in

Ukraine.

He was the party boss in Ukraine in 1930s, then after World War II. So he's

definitely part of the Ukrainian Communist Party apparatus and their networks. And once he become

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