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Labor unions’ fight against AI is nothing new

Marketplace Tech

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Technology, News

4.51.3K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2023

⏱️ 9 minutes

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Summary

Disruptive technology is at the heart of the contentious negotiations between the Writers Guild of America and studios, networks and streaming services. Last week, those negotiations failed and the screenwriters went on strike. The WGA has pushed for guardrails on the use of new generative AI tools like ChatGPT, which are trained on vast amounts of human-made creative work and could, some fear, end up replacing it. It’s a concern that is popping up more and more across a number of different industries as the implications of this technology come into focus. Marketplace’s Meghan McCarty Carino spoke with Virginia Doellgast, a professor at Cornell University’s School of Industrial and Labor Relations, who said the union’s efforts to contain the harm of AI echo past labor struggles with new technology.

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0:00.0

Marketplace Morning Report's new Skin in the Game series explores what we can learn about

0:04.6

money and careers from the $300 billion video game industry. Plus, here how an Oakland-based

0:11.0

program helps young people get the skills they need to break into this booming industry.

0:15.9

Listen to Skin in the Game and more from the Marketplace Morning Report wherever you get your

0:20.7

podcasts. Could the writers strike foreshadow more workplace AI battles ahead?

0:28.4

From American public media, this is Marketplace Tech. I'm Megan McCarty-Karino.

0:42.2

Disruptive technology is at the heart of the contentious negotiations between Hollywood

0:48.2

writers and studios, which led to a strike. At issue, how writers get paid for streaming content,

0:55.6

and the role of artificial intelligence in the creative process. The writers Guild of America

1:02.5

has pushed for guardrails on the use of new AI tools like ChatGPT, which are trained on vast

1:10.3

amounts of human-made creative work, and could some fear end up replacing it. It's a concern that

1:17.7

is popping up more and more across a number of different industries as the implications of

1:23.0

this technology come into focus. And the Union's efforts to contain its harms

1:29.1

echo past labor struggles with new technology, says Virginia Dolgast. She's a professor at Cornell

1:35.5

School of Industrial and Labor Relations. There are a lot of examples historically of how

1:43.4

workers have responded to new technologies. You can go back to the classic Luddites,

1:49.0

English textile workers in the 19th century who destroyed textile machinery, because factory

1:53.9

owners were basically using machines to cut wages and replace skilled artisans. You have a lot

2:00.4

of examples of robots being introduced in the auto industry and manufacturing. You had the

2:08.0

long-shore industry being heavily mechanized. Thinking about the call center environment,

2:14.0

you've already seen a lot of use of AI, as well as, you know, broader trends of digitalization.

2:20.4

Tell me about some of the ways that disruptive technology like this can affect jobs.

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