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Hi guys, I'm Emma.

And I'm Julie.

And welcome back to another episode of our Kardashian bonus show.

Hey, Joel.

Hi, I am.

Okay, so we are moving right along here.

We're on season 10, episodes 15 and 16.

And right now, what we're experiencing is very much the height of Vanity Fairgate. Not to jump ahead too much about it,

but I think one of the most fascinating aspects of the whole Vanity Fair article is the role

that Kim is playing in it. But always, like, Kim is never not the center of it all.

I know. I mean, listen, there's a lot of times where when situations become very delicate,

Chloe is the one that is the mediator or the communicator, like she really oftentimes will take on that

role. She is in a place right now with

herself, but also with Caitlin, where she is entirely incapable of that. And so, yes, it's no

surprise that Kim is the person that kind of fits so seamlessly into that position. But there are

times where I'm caught off guard by Chloe, so not being in that

place. Well, the thing is, both Chloe and Kim are so protective over Chris. It's just that the way that it was

manifesting for each of them was a little bit different because Chloe's really came out in having so

much anger towards Caitlin. And Kim had that anger as well. But for her, I think it more so fueled

her to handle it. She was like so pissed off, but also was unwilling to cut the lines of

communication and have it get even worse. Well, I think a huge piece of it is that Kim felt a certain

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