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The Rich Roll Podcast

Kurt Sutter Is A Fearless Storyteller

The Rich Roll Podcast

Rich Roll

Health & Fitness, Education, Self-improvement, Society & Culture

4.812.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 May 2018

⏱️ 158 minutes

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Summary

“I should be dead. I know that. I should not be successful. I know that too. My daily existence is a toss of the coin – one side, fear, the other side, gratitude.” Kurt Sutter Fundamentally, I'm a people pleaser. It took years of sobriety before I realized this is more character defect than positive attribute. I continue to struggle with it often. Kurt Sutter doesn't have this problem. A writer, actor, director, and long-time loyal friend, Kurt is a man utterly unafraid to be exactly who he is — a passionate artist committed to his creative vision for both life and art. Kurt's description of his upbringing is vintage Sutter: Raised in the shadow of Rahway prison, Kurt spent most of his New Jersey childhood indoors, away from people, three feet from a TV screen. That's where he learned the essentials of storytelling and the comic significance of anvils. Anvils aside, you most likely know Kurt as the creator, head writer and showrunner of Sons of Anarchy, the critically acclaimed outlaw motorcycle club psychodrama with a fanbase so rabid, it became the biggest hit television show in the FX network’s history. After humble beginnings performing off-off-Broadway in theatres, lofts and (in his words) holding cells (more vintage Sutter), Kurt caught his first major break in 2001, booking a staff writer gig on FX's The Shield, where he spent the next seven years mastering the fundamentals of fearless television storytelling and rising up the ranks to graduate as one of the show's coveted Executive Producers. Then came Sons. A seven-year, Shakespearean eruption of vigilantism, government corruption, racism, loyalty and human transformation, the show struck an immediate cultural nerve, cementing itself in the zeitgeist and skyrocketing Kurt to Hollywood's A-list. Kurt's creative output is impressive. Beyond Sons, Kurt penned Southpaw, a gritty feature-length boxing drama originally written for Eminem that ultimately starred Jake Gyllenhaal. He created The Bastard Executioner, a historical drama that ran for one season of FX, and a comic book mini-series called Lucas Stand. Mayans MC, Kurt's third television drama for FX, is set to debut soon. And this list doesn't even include Kurt's many feature projects currently in development. A self-described misanthrope, let's just say Kurt has a penchant for unapologetically speaking his mind — a disposition at odds with Hollywood etiquette that has resulted in more than a few skirmishes. But the Kurt I know — the Kurt I have been friends with for well over a decade – is a man quite apart from the reputation that often precedes him. He's a family man. A husband and father of three children. A great friend. An example of selfless service. And an extraordinary artist. It may sound like a Cinderella story. But success for Kurt didn't come easy. And it didn't come early. Overweight throughout his youth, he once tipped the scale at 400 pounds. Then came the drugs and alcohol — a battle he very nearly lost. It's a helluva ride. Today, we get into all of it. For the visually inclined, you can watch the conversation on YouTube at: http://bit.ly/richandkurt. If you are enjoying the video versions of the show, do me a favor and subscribe! Peace + Plants, Rich Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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0:00.0

Right about things that move you.

0:05.0

Whether being moved means being enraged, means being in love, whatever that is, you have

0:12.0

to write about something and from a place of, I need to tell this story rather than, I'm

0:18.7

going to write this to get this.

0:21.3

People are so worried about doing something that's going to mean to sell or something that

0:26.8

people want to hear, you know, rather than generating something that means something.

0:32.8

That's Kurt Sutter and this, well this, is the Retro podcast.

0:37.9

The Retro podcast.

0:51.2

So I have this confession I want to make.

0:53.9

I think it's fair to say that I can be a little bit of a people pleaser.

1:00.8

And I used to think of this as a positive quality, setting aside my needs, my perspective to make

1:06.2

somebody else comfortable.

1:07.7

Well, does not seem like a gracious thing to do.

1:10.6

I always thought so.

1:12.2

And it took years of sobriety before I was even fully aware of this default setting,

1:17.6

this thing that's kind of plugged into my DNA.

1:20.3

And even more years before I realized, you know what?

1:23.4

This people pleasing thing, it's really more of a character defect than a positive attribute.

1:28.7

And then even more years had to transpire before I began the process of trying to deconstruct

1:34.4

this character defect and begin the process of trying to overcome it.

1:38.6

And I got to tell you, it's something that I still really struggle with on a pretty regular

1:43.0

basis because you see at its core, people pleasing is really, it's a mark of insecurity.

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