Kristin Du Mez Tells Me How Evangelicals Fell in Love with John Wayne

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Russell Moore

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🗓️ 1 December 2021

⏱️ 54 minutes

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When the Access Hollywood “locker room talk” tape hit the mainstream on October 7, 2016, both Russell Moore and historian Kristin Du Mez were horrified. But while Moore felt surprised by the evangelical response—or lack of response—to the video, Du Mez saw it as a predictable outcome of militant masculinity within evangelicalism. In their conversation, and in her book Jesus and John Wayne, Du Mez explains why. On this episode of The Russell Moore Show, Moore and Du Mez talk about the overlap of history, politics, and Christianity when it comes to understanding American evangelicalism’s relationship to gender. They also discuss the centrality of sexual purity in much of American Christianity in the past few decades and the specific devastation caused by leaders who espoused those messages and later acted as predators. They share their thoughts on the parallels between changes in the Republican party and evangelicalism over the past few years, and what it means to realize that what you once saw as a fringe group within your tribe was, in fact, more of a core than you had ever imagined. Listen in for an episode filled with great questions, thoughtful answers, and mutual engagement on challenging topics. “The Russell Moore Show” is a production of Christianity Today Chief Creative Officer: Erik Petrik Executive Producer and Host: Russell Moore Director of Podcasts: Mike Cosper Production Assistance: CoreMedia Coordinator: Beth Grabenkort Producer and Audio Mixing: Kevin Duthu Administrators: Christine Kolb and Pam Vodenova Theme Song: “Dusty Delta Day” by Lennon Hutton Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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1:14.5	today, where every week we explore conversations and questions from a Christian perspective.
1:21.4	And as you know, every once in a while what I like to do is a
1:26.2	segment called Tell Me Where I'm Wrong. This isn't really one of those because we're going to have a we're going to have some things we disagree
1:35.7	about we're also going to have a great deal of agreement so there's not one specific
1:40.7	issue that we're sort of talking about but we'll still abide by my rules
1:47.2	for tell me where I'm wrong which is if we do come into areas of disagreement, I'm not allowed to debate. I'm allowed to
1:55.4	ask questions for information and to reflect on that. And so it may be that that
2:01.4	doesn't, we don't even get into that territory.
2:04.0	But if we do, Kristen, you call me out on it and tell me that I'm breaking my own rules.
2:11.8	So our guest today is Kristen Dumé, Calvin University, who is the author of Jesus
2:19.2	and John Wayne, which is a book that, you know, it's not often that a scholarly work of history becomes
2:30.3	a kind of viral read, but this time it did. I would find people all over the place
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