Kristen Eichensehr on the Cyberwar that Wasn't in Ukraine

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🗓️ 24 May 2022

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

For years, Russia has both officially and unofficially used cyber tools to ruthlessly advance its international agenda. For this reason, many expected Russia's recent invasion of Ukraine to also kick off a new and brutal era of international cyberwar. Instead, cyber measures have only played a small part in the overall conflict compared to more conventional capabilities, leading many to ask whether Russian cyber capabilities and the role of cyber in the future of warfare more generally might well have been exaggerated.

To dig into these issues, Scott R, Anderson sat down with University of Virginia law professor Kristen Eichensehr, who wrote a recent article on the topic for the American Journal of International Law. They discussed possible explanations for the limited role that cyber capabilities have played in the conflict, whether that might change in the next stage of the conflict and what it all means for the future of cyber measures in warfare.

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0:25.6	no bull and the aftermath.
0:33.9	We do know that it's something that the US government has said they've worked for years
0:37.6	with folks in Ukraine to up their defenses.
0:41.3	In some ways, the proof is in the successes we're seeing.
0:44.6	Even when there have been successful cyber attacks during the course of this conflict,
0:50.2	we're seeing that the Ukrainian networks are proving to be very resilient.
0:54.0	So there are workarounds, things are coming back online quickly when they've been knocked
0:59.0	off.
1:00.0	There was another really interesting incident back in the middle of April when Ukraine
1:06.2	announced that they had disrupted an in-progress cyber attack by Russia's military that
1:11.7	had been successful would have caused another blackout.
1:14.5	Now, that would have been the third, right?
1:17.1	So Ukraine has already suffered two blackouts at the hands of the Russian military and they
1:22.4	stopped the third one.
1:23.6	So knowing what we're seeing, it certainly seems like their capabilities are increasing
1:28.8	over time.
1:29.8	I'm Scott Ar Anderson and this is the LawFair podcast for May 24, 2022.
1:36.8	For years, Russia has both efficiently and unofficially used cyber tools to ruthlessly
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