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On Being with Krista Tippett

Krista Tippett — Hope Portal, Episode 1

On Being with Krista Tippett

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4.710.2K Ratings

🗓️ 29 May 2025

⏱️ 14 minutes

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Summary

Beginning today, and for the next six weeks in the On Being podcast feed and Substack, we’re opening a reflection/course experience curated by Krista and drawing upon her conversations with several visionary humans: adrienne maree brown, Naomi Shihab Nye, Ocean Vuong, Joy Harjo, Joanna Macy, and Ross Gay. Together, they extend rich and actionable invitations for a muscular, reality-based hope. They offer ways of seeing and living to lay our hands and our hearts, our imaginations and life force on the generative possibilities of life in this time.

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0:00.0

At some point across the last few years in my interviews on On Being, I began to ask people sometimes as a closing question, what is making you despair and what is giving you hope?

0:21.0

And something that was really fascinating that emerged is that I noticed that the answers to those

0:29.0

two questions were conjoint, that what people were hopeful about and despairing about

0:35.7

were not separate, not opposites, but in a kind of

0:40.8

interplay and relationship, that hope lives really close to our despair, and despair lives

0:47.0

close to our hope right on the other side of it, which is fascinating, and it makes me think about

0:53.8

the vitality and reality base to the kind of muscular hope that we're going to be exploring with this experiment.

1:03.4

And I know that vitality and reality base is not necessarily hope's reputation.

1:08.6

But I think I want to invite you to take a moment now or later today to answer

1:13.7

that question for yourself. Right now, today, what is making you despair? What is filling you with

1:20.8

despair? And what is giving you hope? And don't analyze what you've written. Just let it be a

1:26.8

beginning.

1:39.3

I want to name also right here at the beginning that there is so much in our world right now that evokes a profound, reasonable hopelessness.

1:48.9

Such a magnitude of suffering that the wisest of words and spiritual solace can't address.

2:06.3

And yet, looking back, I see hope as a defining, recurrent, ever-present feature of every wise and graceful person, every wise and graceful life I've come into conversation with. And that includes people who have shifted the world on its

2:13.2

axis in small ways, in vast ways.

2:27.1

So to approach this contradiction, this puzzle, I think definitions are called for.

2:51.2

Like other words we need most, like the word love, the word hope is a little bit ruined from overuse and from flimsy, superficial use. So let's talk first about what it's not. When I talk about hope, about muscular hope, I am not talking about anything to do with wishful thinking. It's not really idealism.

2:54.0

I don't use the word optimism.

2:56.7

I understand that some people use the word optimism, the way I use the word hope.

3:01.9

But to me, optimism has a bit of a feel of a faith that things in the end will turn out all right.

3:09.5

And that's not what I'm talking about.

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