Kouri Richins Trial: Carmen Lauber — Day Two of Fiery Cross Part 2
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🗓️ 27 February 2026
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Summary
Carmen Lauber, Former Richins Housekeeper, continues to be cross-examined in the Kouri Richins trial.
Kouri Richins stands accused of poisoning her husband Eric Richins with a lethal dose of fentanyl in March 2022—allegedly to collect on a $1.9 million life insurance policy she secretly increased just weeks before his death. What prosecutors describe as a calculated murder-for-profit scheme, the defense calls a tragic accident involving a man who, they claim, had a hidden drug problem.
This is gavel-to-gavel coverage of one of the most closely watched trials in Utah history. A children's book author. A grieving widow who wrote about "heaven" for kids while allegedly researching untraceable poisons. A husband who may have been killed in his own bed.
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to continuing coverage from the trial of Corey Richards, from the Hidden Killers podcast and true crime today. |
| 0:08.4 | Now, back to the courtroom. |
| 0:13.4 | Ms. Lauber, you're still under oath. |
| 0:16.2 | Ms. Lewis, please proceed. |
| 0:19.2 | All right. |
| 0:19.5 | We just finished going through the interview you had with the U.S. Attorney's Office. |
| 0:25.6 | Right? Correct. |
| 0:27.6 | Okay. It's a little painful, but we got there. |
| 0:30.6 | Yes. A little confusing. |
| 0:33.6 | Well, all right. Yes, I know. I'm sorry. But let's just summarize that interview and then we'll move on. So in that interview, you told them that you bought pills from Susan Kohler one time, that you bought pills from Robert Crozier two times, and that you bought the same pills from Robert Crozier on each occasion. Correct? |
| 0:55.0 | Correct. |
| 0:56.0 | All right. |
| 0:57.0 | And in that interview, you said that the pills were left at the Midway House, either in the fireplace or in a cup in a closet. |
| 1:04.0 | Correct. |
| 1:05.0 | Correct. |
| 1:06.0 | All right. And you don't know who picked up the pills from the Midway House, correct? |
| 1:10.0 | No, I do not. So you don't know if the Midway House, correct? No, I do not. |
| 1:11.2 | So you don't know if Corey picked them up, correct? |
| 1:15.4 | No, I do not. |
| 1:16.4 | Or if Eric Richens picked them up? |
| 1:19.0 | No, I do not. |
| 1:19.9 | I do not know who picked them up. |
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