Kouri Richins: The Conviction Is In — Now What Does the Appeal Look Like?
Hidden Killers With Tony Brueski | True Crime News & Commentary
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🗓️ 18 March 2026
⏱️ 23 minutes
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Summary
Kouri Richins has been convicted of aggravated murder. Her defense team built an appellate record throughout this trial — rulings challenged, motions filed, issues flagged in real time. That record now matters more than ever.
Tony Brueski, defense attorney Bob Motta, and retired FBI Behavioral Analysis Chief Robin Dreeke break down what's actually in it. The coaching video and whether a jury convicting after seeing it strengthens or weakens a due process challenge. The hearsay ruling the defense ultimately walked away from — and whether you can appeal a ruling you abandoned yourself. The denied instruction over the missing pill bottle. The Carmen Lauber informant instruction and whether the jury having it and convicting anyway neutralizes that argument on appeal. Bob Motta identifies the real appellate targets and the ones that look better on paper than they are. Robin Dreeke examines the behavioral dimension of what comes next.
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| 0:00.0 | This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Brewski and Robin Dree. |
| 0:07.8 | The defense spent three weeks flagging rulings, filing motions, and building a record. |
| 0:13.2 | The conviction is in. The record now matters more than ever. |
| 0:17.4 | Obviously, an appeal is going to be mounted. It happens in every case. An attempt will be made |
| 0:23.9 | here. Here to help us understand where that could possibly go, what roads and lanes they might be |
| 0:31.0 | able to explore. Bob Mata, defense attorney and a host of the podcast Defense Diaries. Obviously, this is going to be the next thing. |
| 0:39.8 | A possible appeal from Corey Richens on this conviction. Bob, obviously, there's many steps to |
| 0:47.5 | an appeal. We don't need to go through and re-educate it and how it all works. But where, |
| 0:53.2 | what lanes do they have here when you're |
| 0:55.5 | looking at this case? What do you think they're going to go with? And what sort of opportunities |
| 1:01.5 | do you think they have from a defense standpoint? Well, she's definitely going to appeal. |
| 1:07.0 | I mean, almost every defendant in the Supreme files of direct appeal. So that'll happen. |
| 1:12.3 | I want to appease people's fears. |
| 1:16.9 | It's going to all be harmless error. |
| 1:18.9 | I mean, there were certainly issues that were brought up in terms of, you know, |
| 1:23.9 | things that maybe shouldn't have come in or came in in a way that they shouldn't. |
| 1:27.9 | The one thing that I thought that might have some legs was how Bloodworth was describing what they needed to prove as to the aggravated murder. |
| 1:38.2 | That could be something that has some legs. |
| 1:41.1 | Ultimately, though, the appellate court in that case, there was just too much |
| 1:45.4 | circumstantial evidence and it was, it was overwhelming, you know, so like ultimately, |
| 1:51.1 | they're going to say, because like, if you're the defense, you're going to say, okay, |
| 1:55.6 | should the walk the dog letter have made it in, you know, they're going to, they'll make |
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