G'day humans. Merry Christmas. Welcome to the safe space for dangerous ideas. And dangerous ideas are the

bread and butter of today's guest Constantine Kissin, the host of one of the most popular podcasts in

the world with his friend Francis Foster, Trigonometry, where they chat with heterodox guests from across

the political spectrum. I was on the show last year. You can watch that interesting conversation

at the link in the show notes. Constantine was born in the Soviet Union, moved to the United

Kingdom when he was 11 years old. He went viral in 2023 for a speech that he gave at the Oxford Union student debating

society, arguing that woke culture has gone too far. That made him a bit of a poster boy for certain

elements on the right, including in the United States. And I wanted to sit down with Constantine

on this show and talk about the problems in Britain, the problems in the media, the problems in podcasting, taxation and welfare and multiculturalism and the broader media landscape and how he thinks about platforming extreme voices.

I also wanted to get stuck into it a little bit with him on climate change, which he and I don't see eye to eye on and get stuck into it.

We did.

I love this conversation.

I hope you do, too.

The one, the only.

Constantine Kisholm.

I wrote an article last week saying there's good news for Britain, things are really bad.

And that's kind of where I'm at. I feel like we are so far down the path of being unable

to deal with the problems that we have. The only way we will deal with the problems that we have is if the only way we will deal with the problems that we have

is if things get so bad that people,

it's kind of like that situation where you,

most people have had that relationship or an addiction

or a job where it's like, it really, really sucks,

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