This is Hidden Killers Live with Tony Bruske, Stacey Cole, and Todd Michaels.

Brian Coburger is telling prison staff he'll harm himself if they don't move him out of J-block.

The language he's using and the demands attached to it have investigators questioning,

whether this is genuine distress or strategic manipulation.

Psychotherapist, Chivon Scott, is with us to help break down this angle of it.

Shavon Koberger is reportedly threatening to harm himself, and this is interesting.

The language being used, harm himself, not kill himself, harm himself.

If guards don't transfer him to a different unit, he's been asking for this since he got there,

the guards have been saying, hey, you know what? The other unit's probably going to be worse for you.

So you better stay here. From a clinical perspective, what does that

specific language tell you, the harm versus kill that's being used allegedly? You can look at it

a couple different ways. One is, you know, the threatened to self-harm can be looked at as, well,

I'm sort of telling you I might commit suicide, but I'm not coming out and making a

firm commitment that way. So it's sort of the softening of that. The other thing that popped into

my head when I heard the term is that it's kind of a clinical term. And he sees himself as a

clinical guy, right? The PhD criminology student. And so if someone were writing a psych report,

they might use the terminology, you know, client has made no attempts to self-harm. So it's sort of,

I think, trying to sound a bit intellectual, too, rather than I'm going to go off myself.

It's, you know, he's again, kind of being an elitist in the way he communicates.

Obviously, they need to pay attention to it, but. Oh, yeah. Do you think there's really a threat

that he'll do it? I mean, to me, it seems like he's a coward. I don't, I don't know that

coward would have anything to do with it.

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