The government has no authority over your conscience.

It can't, right?

The government can't reach into you and change your beliefs.

Not only should it not, it just doesn't have that power.

So it would be impossible and wrong for the government to say, start trying to regulate your beliefs or something like that.

What the government should do and has done in America for a long time

is make wise laws that make it easy to be godly and hard to be sinful. Welcome to the Conversations That Matter podcast.

I'm your host, John Harris, for a discussion today about this book.

It's called King of Kings by James Baird.

And it's actually a pretty short book.

I was a little intimidated when I first saw this. My friend, Pastor Shaw McGowan, actually sent it to me in soft form and said, you got to read this. And I was like, oh, I got such a big stack of books. And then when I finally today, because I knew I was going to be doing an interview, I took it out. I was like, oh, this isn't that bad at all. And I just want to explain to people, one of the reasons we're doing this

interview with James Baird, who's the author of the book, he's also a pastor in Naples, Florida at

Covenant Church, is because I think this is so accessible for your normal, average, ordinary, everyday Christian or your pastor, right, who doesn't have the time.

Most pastors don't have a lot of time to read something like the case for Christian nationalism or some of the other larger political works.

This will get him a lot of the necessary information to understand the argument for, and I don't even know if

James Baird takes this label on himself, but some iterations of Christian nationalism, there's

the word. And it's, I think it's just like the reformed tradition and the biblical teaching on

Christianity and politics, but it's a good, I think, starter at the very

least. So that's why I wanted to have James Barrett on. He just wrote it. It's out through founders.

You can get it there. Welcome to the podcast, James. Thanks for coming. Thanks for having me on, John.

It's a pleasure. So where can people go to get this? Amazon? Is it just through founders? Yeah, they can, it's right on Amazon. You can do the paperback, uh, audible, Kindle, but if you want the really nice hard back, which is what you have, you got to go to founders. Oh, okay. I see. So did you record the audible yourself or did you pay someone? You know, I didn't even know that they were going to do an audio version and then i just saw it one day on amazon i haven't listened to it yet so i don't even know if it's any good yeah um a lot a lot of publishers are doing the ai thing now i don't know if they did that at founders but uh um i don't know i've always been like protective of my audio book stuff Like when I've written a book, I always had narrate it myself, but it kills me because it's so long. And I mispronounce things and I got to go back.

Anyway, why'd you write the book? That's always the first question, right? For any author, what compelled you?

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