Hey, sometimes we get things wrong.

We're not a big news organization.

We're a small staff with limited resources.

And sometimes we mess up.

A few weeks ago, we released Episode 181,

in which we welcomed Sunset and all reporter Mark Freeman

to join us and help tell the story,

since he previously covered it so well

for the paper he works for.

When the episode dropped, the Sunset and all

decided to do a story about our coverage

and specifically about our interview with the killer's mom,

Denise Penna.

Now, if you haven't heard that episode, number 181,

you may want to go back and listen to it first

so that you have some context.

And I do want to also say that we were solely responsible

for the tone and the direction of the show.

Sunset and all just helped us out with an interview.

And they had no idea which way it was going.

But after the episode was released,

we received an email from a very distraught family member,

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