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Killer Empathy

Radiolab

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Science, Natural Sciences, History, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.643.5K Ratings

🗓️ 4 April 2025

⏱️ 26 minutes

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Summary

In an episode first aired in 2012, Lulu Miller introduces us to Jeff Lockwood, a professor at the University of Wyoming, who spent a part of his career studying a particularly ferocious set of insects: Gryllacrididae. Or, as Jeff describes them, "crickets on steroids." They have crushingly strong, serrated jaws, and they launch all-out attacks on anyone who gets in their way--whether it's another cricket, or the guy trying to take them out of their cages. In order to work with the gryllacridids, Jeff had to figure out how to out-maneuver them. And as he devised ways to keep from getting slashed and bitten, he felt like he was getting to know them. Maybe they weren't just mindless brutes ... but their own creatures, each with their own sense of self. And that got him wondering: what could their fierceness tell him about the nature of violence? How well could he understand the minds of these insects, and what drove them to be so bloody? That's when the alarm bells went off. Jeff would picture his mentor, Dr. LaFage, lecturing him back in college--warning him not to slip into a muddled, empathic mood ... not to let his emotions sideswipe his objectivity. And that would usually do the trick--Jeff would think of LaFage, and rein himself back in. But then one night, something happened that gave Dr. LaFage's advice a terrible new kind of significance. Tamra Carboni tells us this part of the story, and challenges Jeff's belief that there's a way to understand it. Hey, one other thing, if you live, or are planning to be, in NYC on April 22nd, come check out our NEW LIVE SHOW!!Radiolab Presents: Viscera - The Elixir of Life Where: Caveat Theater on the Lower East Side, NY NY When: April 22nd Doors @ 7 pm GET YOUR TICKETS, HERE!! (https://www.caveat.nyc/events/radiolab-presents-viscera-%E2%80%93-the-elixir-of-life-4-22-2025) Sign up for our newsletter!! It includes short essays, recommendations, and details about other ways to interact with the show. Sign up (https://radiolab.org/newsletter)! Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. Support Radiolab by becoming a member of The Lab (https://members.radiolab.org/) today. Follow our show on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook @radiolab, and share your thoughts with us by emailing [email protected]. Leadership support for Radiolab’s science programming is provided by the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation, Science Sandbox, a Simons Foundation Initiative, and the John Templeton Foundation. Foundational support for Radiolab was provided by the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation.

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0:00.0

Yeah, I wish I could have been the guy who saved his wife's life.

0:06.8

I'm just the guy who nearly cut his fingers off.

0:10.1

Hey, Lathir.

0:11.2

You heard that one?

0:12.3

So this month, we're turning the spotlight to you all.

0:15.6

We're talking to listeners and members of the lab.

0:18.3

And like I said, I do have guys that I've worked with who have cut off fingers.

0:24.3

We interviewed a guy who just heroically saved his wife's life after listening to our episode,

0:31.0

literally called How to Save a Life.

0:33.6

And this week...

0:34.5

So amazing to talk to you.

0:36.0

I'm not kidding.

0:36.8

You have been on my mind for, yeah, 15 years now.

0:39.9

Lulu talked to Paul Tucker.

0:42.2

I'm an old dog with a new trick.

0:44.5

Who wrote to us actually about 15 years ago.

0:47.5

Maybe first, would you be able to pull up that email and read us the initial email you wrote to us. I thought you might ask for that.

0:57.6

The subject was the dangers of listening to Radio Lab. Dear Radio Lab, I have just declared my workshop of

1:08.3

Radio Lab Free Area. No one is allowed to listen to Radio Lab there,

1:14.4

especially not me. I think you must warn the public about the dangers of listening to Radio

1:20.5

Lab while trying to do other things. I'm a 54-year-old carpenter with my own woodworking shop.

1:29.6

I've always been able to listen to music and NPR News. While I'm a 54-year-old carpenter with my own woodworking shop. I've always been able to listen to music and NPR news while I'm working in the shop. Several years ago, with the advent of the iPod, I was able

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