Did two teenagers attempt to execute the perfect crime back in 1994? Sebastian Burns has been described as the mastermind who used a metal baseball bat to kill his friend Atif Rafay's mother, father, and sister, while Atif stood by. But what was their motive? 48 Hours correspondent Peter Van Sant talks about what it was like sitting across from these two young men in prison.  Get early, ad-free access to episodes of Killer Conversation by subscribing to 48 Hours Plus on Apple Podcasts. The series is widely available everywhere else you get your podcasts.  Subscribe to 48 Hours+: https://apple.co/4aEgENo  To learn more about listener data and our privacy practices visit: https://www.audacyinc.com/privacy-policy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit https://podcastchoices.com/adchoices