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The Business of Fashion Podcast

Kevin Macdonald Probes John Galliano’s Soul

The Business of Fashion Podcast

The Business of Fashion

Fashion & Beauty, Business, Arts

4.6770 Ratings

🗓️ 16 February 2024

⏱️ 39 minutes

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Summary

In the world of high fashion, few names have commanded as much attention — and controversy — as John Galliano. 


Throughout the 1990s and 2000s, his sensual designs and runway theatrics earned him worldwide acclaim.But Galliano’s career imploded in 2011 when  a video of him emerged using antisemitic slurs. In a new documentary, “High & Low: John Galliano,” BAFTA-winning director Kevin Macdonald examines Galliano's meteoric rise, scandalous downfall, and the role of forgiveness and redemption.


“If there's one thing that people could take away from the film, it is [that] things are never that simple. The grey predominates in life and in morality,” says Macdonald.


This week on The BoF Podcast, BoF editor-at-large Tim Blanks sits down with McDonald to discuss  the phenomenon of cancellation and his own feelings about Galliano after completing the documentary. 


Key Insights


  • Alongside archive footage and interviews with industry insiders, the film features  extensive conversations with Galliano himself. Macdonald says  Galliano seemed to forget the series of events and antisemitic remarks he said. “I think he genuinely blotted that out. I don't think he's pretending not to remember. I think that it's a sign of him creating a story for himself about things that have happened … to get by,” Macdonald says.


  • According to Macdonald, Galliano does not expect total forgiveness but hopes for understanding. “He knows some people will never forgive him for the antisemitic comments he made, but he wants people to understand who he is and where that came from and what part it had in the way it played in his life.” 


  • Macdonald attributes the attention the film has received prior to its release to nostalgia for a bygone era. “I think there's a romance about this past where people were misbehaving and being creative geniuses and led to crash and burn and didn't have to answer to HR,” he says.



High & Low – John Galliano opens in cinemas on 8th March 2024.



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0:00.0

Hi, this is Imran Ahmed, founder and CEO of the Business of Fashion.

0:08.5

Welcome to the BOF podcast. It's Friday, February 16th.

0:13.2

In the world of high fashion, few names have commanded as much attention and controversy as John Galliano.

0:20.6

For almost two decades, Galliano's sensual

0:23.4

designs and runway theatrics earned him worldwide acclaim, but his career imploded in 2011

0:29.9

when a video emerged of him using anti-Semitic slurs. This week on the BOF podcast, we go inside

0:37.4

the highly anticipated documentary that

0:39.6

fashion insiders have been talking about since last year. In high and low, John Galliano,

0:46.2

director Kevin McDonald examines the designer's meteoric rise, scandalous downfall, and the

0:52.7

essential questions of forgiveness and redemption.

0:56.6

Fashion is not notable for truth-telling, and I think this is a film which is trying to tell the truth.

1:03.0

This is not a film that is going to give easy closure, but it is going to raise a lot of questions,

1:07.5

and I think demands a certain amount of independent thinking from the viewer.

1:13.0

I hope you enjoyed this week's conversation where editor-at-large Tim Blanks sits down with

1:18.1

McDonald to discuss the new film and examine the boundaries of cancel culture.

1:23.2

Here's Kevin McDonald with Tim Blanks on the BOF podcast.

1:29.8

Hello, this is Tim Blanks. Our podcast subject today is Kevin McDonald, who is just about to

1:37.4

unleash his film of John Galliano on the world. It's called High and Low. And that title is a very interesting cross-reference

1:47.2

in a way to the rest of Kevin's career, I think, because he has engaged himself with some

1:53.2

singularly extreme subjects over the years in feature films and in documentaries, ranging from

1:59.4

Idi Amin to Whitney Houston via Mick Jagger

2:03.8

and stories about very extreme events in people's lives.

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