So, guys, Derek, moreplacemorenades.com. Today we are going to be reacting to Kevin

Lvroni breaking down his first cycles again and we're going to be comparing it to some of the

cycles we've seen from like really young guys or even you know Reddit threads and shit about,

you know, people talking about what they're using. Not even just Reddit threads. That's probably a bad example.

Because some of those threads are like reasonably well informed.

But like, you know, forum posts and, you know, traditional stuff.

Like, frankly, stuff I get DMs about too.

Like people will be like, oh, this like, you know, influencer told me I should take this.

Or this guy said I should take this.

And it's some fucking exorbitant, ridiculous amount.

And I just want to compare what, you know, very, you know, some people say it uncrowned Mr.

Olympia was taking.

Now again, though, you have to keep in mind he has hyper responder genetics.

So he can get away with a lot less than the next guy and have insane results.

But again, how much does it actually take to grow?

I think a lot of people, I don't know, maybe people are becoming more aware of what is reasonable and that it has a blatant diminishing returns effect at a certain point.

You're just abusing your body at a certain level when you actually think, oh, you know, all the pros must be doing like fucking 10 grams of this.

In reality, above, you know, a certain amount of grams, you're really getting nothing additional out of it.

Rather, you were just getting additional organ stress, essentially.

So we're going to be going through Kevin Lebronies up breakdown with apparently his OG training partner who basically designed his cycles for him at the

beginning and it doesn't sound like it was because he was like a like a guru or anything

rather it was just a guy who had experience and like could guide Kevin in a you know

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