Kentucky Sheriff Shoots District Judge | Joshua Schiffer Weighs In

Zone 7 with Sheryl McCollum

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🗓️ 23 October 2024

⏱️ 38 minutes

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Summary

In late September, prosecutors say, Sheriff Mickey Stines drew his gun on Judge Kevin Mullins, his longtime co-worker and friend. Video from inside the judge's chambers appear to show Stines repeatedly firing on Mullins, who tries to shield himself behind his desk.

Guest Bio and Links:

Joshua Schiffer is an attorney providing legal services covering Criminal Defense, Personal Injury. Listeners can learn more about Joshua Sschiffer at his website: https://chancoschiffer.com/

In this episode of Zone 7, Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum, talks with Joshua Schiffer about a series of tragic incidents in courthouse settings and their far-reaching impacts on communities. They reflect on a 2005 courthouse shooting in Fulton County, the recent violent event involving a sheriff and a judge in Kentucky, and the resulting generational and emotional toll. Sheryl and Joshua discuss the spread of misinformation, institutional knowledge, and the importance of experienced public servants in local governance and law enforcement. Additionally, the episode touches upon legal and ethical considerations in judicial cases, the complexities of personal relationships within public offices, and the implications of youthful misjudgments in the justice system.

Show Notes:

(0:00) Welcome back to Zone 7 with Crime Scene Investigator, Sheryl McCollum
(0:10) The courthouse shooting incident
(3:00) Remembering the victims
(6:00) Impact on the community
(8:30) Gun violence in America and its repercussions
(10:30) Speculation on the sheriff’s daughter and judge interaction
(15:00) Analysis of premeditation in courtroom violence
(20:30) Community's deep loss and institutional impact
(24:00) Legal ramifications
(28:45) Potential corruption and exposure
(32:00) Finding a jury
(37:00) “The whole county is just devastated by this. we've lost not only our sheriff and a district judge, I've lost two personal friends that I worked with every day.” -M.W
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Sheryl “Mac” McCollum is an Emmy Award winning CSI, a writer for CrimeOnLine, Forensic and Crime Scene Expert for Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, and a CSI for a metro Atlanta Police Department. She is the co-author of the textbook., Cold Case: Pathways to Justice. Sheryl is also the founder and director of the Cold Case Investigative Research Institute, a collaboration between universities and colleges that brings researchers, practitioners, students and the criminal justice community together to advance techniques in solving cold cases and assist families and law enforcement with solvability factors for unsolved homicides, missing persons, and kidnapping cases.

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0:00.0	I got to tell you, when I first heard about a county sheriff shooting a judge, the first thing I thought about
0:16.0	my last official day with the Fulton County Sheriff's Department, and that was the day of our courthouse
0:21.7	shooting. On that day, Judge Rowland Barnes, court reporter, Julie Brando, and Sheriff's Deputy Hoyt Teasley
0:31.2	were all murdered. It was March 11, 2005, and that day I stood Bravo on Central Avenue before going into Central
0:42.6	Command Center.
0:44.2	I have just got to bring my friend in Joshua Schiffer because y'all know him, y'all respect
0:51.8	him, you trust him. And Josh, I just got to ask you, you know,
0:57.9	people don't understand the relationship. They think there's the prosecution and the defense
1:04.0	and everybody hates everybody and then everybody hates the judge. And that's just not true.
1:09.7	We have deep friendships and deep respect and sometimes we become
1:16.7	family you're absolutely right man i was sadly there like you this was the office that i went to
1:26.0	every single day and yeah it's a big court building. It's actually a complex. There's three buildings built at different times tied together. It's kind of this mess inside. But we made it work. And even as the largest jurisdiction in one of our largest states, it's a small family.
1:54.4	And you couldn't have practiced in Fulton County for more than 30 days without running into Hoyt at the security check-in,
1:59.5	without seeing or hearing about Judge Barnes and what he was,
2:04.2	Judge Barnes was one of the only defense perspective judges that had come out of the defense universe. And talk about loved. He was a friend of the prosecution.
2:12.4	He was a friend of the defense. He was a friend of people. Correct. And he lived in the community
2:16.7	on the south side of Atlanta.
2:19.0	And everybody knew that if you got Judge Bart, you were going to get a fair shot.
2:25.0	He wasn't one of these judges that people Hem and Haw about.
2:28.4	He was one of these judges that everybody loved and respected because he did the right thing.
2:33.8	He called the balls and the strikes.
2:36.7	And then you get into the other victims of that day and you realize how we're still connected, you know, over a decade later.
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