I'm Roberta Glass and you're listening to my true crime report. Today I have a very special guest on Ken Crats. He's the former prosecutor of Calamette County, Wisconsin, and made most famous by appearing in the Netflix series Making a Murderer, which has now been viewed by over 40 million people since it appeared on Netflix in 2015. As we record this,

it is October 31st, 2019, the day of Teresa Hallback's murder. And I'd like to dedicate this episode

to Teresa Hallback and the family and friends who loved her.

Thanks, Roberta. It's nice to be here again. Thank you. So what is the experience? Like,

what happens in your house when making a murderer appears on Netflix and you decide to watch it? I mean,

I can barely watch making a murderer.

I find it so frustrating, especially making a murderer too.

I mean, how do you do that?

Do you get popcorn?

Do you watch it in pieces?

I mean...

Making a murderer itself, I haven't watched in probably a couple of years now.

MAM 2, I had watched this year in

anticipation for writing one of the chapters of my book, Chapter 15, is called Day of the Circus

came to town and it, I think accurately reflects my feeling of Attorney Zellner and what it is

that she presented in making a murderer

two. You know, one of the things, Roberta, that I'm unwilling to talk about is Zellner's

brief that she filed with the Court of Appeals. I'm not a lawyer. I don't hold myself out to be a

lawyer anymore. And so any kind of legal analysis, I don't do

really anymore. But beyond that, certainly my personal experience is what it is that I've seen in my

sense for all these things. As you know, I'm happy to, I'm happy to discuss. I don't have any

topics that I shy away from, and I try to answer things

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