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You're Wrong About

Keiko Part 1 with Brianna Bowman

You're Wrong About

Sarah Marshall

Society & Culture, News, History, Politics, True Crime, Culture

4.523.9K Ratings

🗓️ 27 January 2026

⏱️ 122 minutes

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Summary

Can a killer whale really jump that high? For kids of the 90s, the adventure movie Free Willy introduced us to magic of the orca through its charismatic megafauna star, Keiko. In part one of our series, deep sea correspondent Brianna Bowman tells Sarah about his journey from free marine mammal to imprisoned entertainer to Hollywood royalty. Together they discuss what Keiko meant to them as kids, 1990s whale-related activism, and the follies of anthropomorphic projection. Digressions include t...

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0:00.0

We are a tuna magnet.

0:02.1

We are going to be here until 11 o'clock when our dads are picking us up.

0:16.6

Welcome to your wrong about.

0:18.1

It's a new year and we are talking about everyone's special little guy, Kako, the killer whale. If you don't know the story, don't worry, you will, and you're going to learn it from our guest this week, science communicator and journalist Brianna Bowman. We also have a bonus episode coming at the end of the month about the famous flop, Ishtar,

0:41.0

a movie that failed despite starring both Warren Beatty and Dustin Hoffman.

0:45.7

And I get to talk about it with Paul Shear and Amy Nicholson of the Unspooled Podcast.

0:51.3

And you can find it, as always, on Patreon and on Apple Plus. We had a really good

0:56.4

time making it. Thank you so much for listening. Thank you for being here. Now let's go

1:02.1

talk about Keko. Welcome to your wrong about the podcast where sometimes we just talk about everyone's favorite orca.

1:18.5

And apologies if your favorite orca is a different orca.

1:22.1

We're talking today about Kako and we're talking about him with my friend Brianna Bowman.

1:29.0

Brianna, hello.

1:30.9

Hi.

1:32.1

Oh my gosh.

1:33.3

I can't believe I'm here.

1:35.1

Come sit down in Sarah's playhouse.

1:38.3

I've dreamed of this day of telling you about my true love of Kiko for so many years. So have I, especially because for the

1:46.9

past many months, you've been like, I'm not ready yet. There's still things that science is figuring

1:52.0

out about Kako. Right. And I respect that so deeply, because much as that guy in Jurassic Park

1:59.1

said about Sam Neal, you're a digger.

2:04.3

That was not the Jurassic Park line, I thought you're going to...

2:07.0

Ooh, which one did you think it was going to be?

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