Species, unite not unite. If you saw a celiac bowl on a menu, you would never order that unless you have celiac's disease, you're gluten-free.

But if you see like a Thai peanut rice noodle bowl that sounds

delicious you're not even thinking about the fact that it's gluten free and that's the

same thing with vegan for a lot of people they think oh that is only for

vegans if I'm not a vegan that's not for me. Hi, I'm Elizabeth Novigrats. This is Species Unite. We have a favor to ask if you like

today's episode and you have a spare minute. Could you please rate and review Species Unite on Apple

Podcast or wherever you listen to podcasts? It really helps people to find the show. This conversation is with Katie Cantrell.

Katie's the director of corporate Outreach for the Better Food Foundation and the co-director of greener by default.

Greener by default makes plant-based food the default option.

In Businesses, Universities, Conferences, based food the default option in businesses universities conferences

restaurants while it still gives people the choice to opt in to meet or

dairy it's seriously one of the smartest projects that I've ever heard of. Katie, hi, thank you so much for coming and being here in person. It is so nice to meet you.

Likewise, my pleasure, thanks for having me.

Will you just talk about who you are, what you do? I am the founder and board

chair of the Factory Farming Awareness Coalition and I am the director of Corporate Outreach for the Better Food Foundation.

Very cool.

So I've had Monica on the show who is now the Executive Director of Factory

Farming Awareness Coalition,

and she's awesome.

Yes, she is.

But you started this whole thing,

so let's start with that.

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