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The Psychology Podcast

Katherine MacLean || Open Wide and Say Awe

The Psychology Podcast

iHeartPodcasts

Social Sciences, Science

4.42K Ratings

🗓️ 21 June 2018

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

“How can we use these peak experiences to help people create community that is healthy and to be better human beings?” -- Katherine MacLean Katherine MacLean, PhD is a research scientist, teacher and meditator. In her academic research (2004-2013) at UC Davis and Johns Hopkins University, she studied how psychedelics and mindfulness meditation can promote beneficial, long-lasting changes in personality, well-being and brain function. In the fall of 2015, she co-founded and began directing the Psychedelic Education & Continuing Care Program in New York (www.psychedelicprogram.com), where she has facilitated monthly integration groups for psychedelic users and training workshops for both clinicians and the public. She currently lives on an organic farm and is preparing to be a study therapist on the upcoming Phase 3 trial of MDMA for post-traumatic stress disorder. Learn more: katherinemaclean.org In this wide-ranging discussion, we cover the following topics: - What happened after Katherine “died” in 2012 - Discovery oriented research vs. practical research on psychedelics - Effects of psychedelics on “existential distress” - Potential benefits of psychedelics on end-of-life care and terminal cancer patients - Potential benefits of MDMA for PTSD - The existence of “enlightened assholes” - Skepticism about brain research on psychedelics - The role of the default network in "ego dissolution" - Misrepresentation of the default network in the psychedelic and meditation literatures - Benefits of psychedelics and meditation in combination - Psychedelics and openness to experience - From anxiety attack to “beauty attack” - The potential for healthy psychedelic integration and increased community Links "Open Wide and Saw Awe" | Katherine MacLean | TEDxOrcasIsland A Systematic Review of Personality Trait Change Through Intervention Psilocybin-occasioned mystical-type experience in combination with meditation and other spiritual practices produces enduring positive changes in psychological functioning and in trait measures of prosocial attitudes and behaviors --- Support this podcast: https://anchor.fm/the-psychology-podcast/support

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0:00.0

Welcome to the psychology podcast where we give you insights into the mind, brain, behavior, and creativity.

0:13.0

I'm Dr. Scott Barry Kaufman,

0:15.0

and in each episode I have a conversation with a guest

0:18.0

who will stimulate your mind and give you a greater understanding

0:20.0

of yourself, others, and the world we live in.

0:23.0

Hopefully we'll also provide a glimpse into human possibility.

0:27.0

Thanks for listening and on the podcast.

0:39.0

Dr. McLean is a research scientist, teacher, and meditator.

0:42.5

In her academic research at UC Davis and John Hopkins University,

0:46.7

she studied how psychedelics and mindfulness meditation

0:49.3

can promote beneficial long-lasting changes

0:51.6

in personality, well-being, and brain function.

0:54.7

In the fall of 2015, she co-founded and began directing the psychedelic education and continuing

0:59.7

care program in New York, where she has facilitated monthly integration groups for psychedelic

1:04.2

users and training workshops for both clinicians and the public.

1:07.6

She currently lives on an organic farm and is preparing to be a study therapist on the

1:12.2

upcoming phase 3 trial of MDMA

1:14.8

for post-traumatic stress disorder.

1:16.5

Hey, thanks so much for chatting with me today, Catherine.

1:18.8

Yeah, you're welcome. As we were saying, this is my last hurrah before my second child arrives on planet Earth so

1:26.4

it's a lovely way to end a nice period of work. Well thank you so much we're so honored

1:31.5

that you are appearing on the podcast and you know I haven't talked to you in four years and I feel like we've both grown tremendously. I'd love to hear about your growth. I've definitely grown when you met me in 2013 that was like when my first

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