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🗓️ 9 April 2025
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Born in Illinois in 1941, Dana Meadows studied Chemistry and Molecular Biology, before turning her back on a post doc position at Harvard, to pursue environmentalism.
She joined her husband Dennis Meadows as part of the team working on Professor Jay Forester's World3 computer model of the world economy at MIT and wrote the report on the results of that model, which predicted overshoot and collapse if economic growth were not curbed. The report, called Limits to Growth, was published in 1972 to much publicity, alarm and ridicule.
Donella said "We were at MIT. We had been trained in science. The way we thought about the future was utterly logical: if you tell people there’s a disaster ahead, they will change course. If you give them a choice between a good future and a bad one, they will pick the good. They might even be grateful. Naive, weren’t we?"
Following the publication of Limits to Growth, Dana dedicated her life to living by the principles of sustainability (a word coined by the Limits to Growth team) and to teaching the principles of 'systems' thinking, which she believed could help people understand and live more harmoniously with the planet.
Choosing Dana is Economist Kate Raworth, who believes that economics needs a broader, more holistic model to be fit for the 21st century. To this end, she founded the Doughnut Economics Action Lab, which champions regenerative and distributive economics, that can meet the needs of people within the means of the living planet. Kate never met Dana, but felt an immediate kinship when she picked up her book, Thinking in Systems, and now believes that all children should be taught to think about the balancing and reinforcing loops of systems.
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0:05.0 | If they think they can get away with it, they'll get away with it. |
0:08.0 | But this isn't any old toilet. |
0:11.0 | This is a solid gold toilet, worth nearly five million pounds, stolen from a palace. |
0:17.0 | A solid gold toilet has been stolen. |
0:20.0 | Police are trying to flush the robbers out. |
0:23.0 | It's a tale of security failures, ruthless robbers and missing millions. |
0:27.7 | Crime next door, the golden toilet heist. |
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0:42.6 | Today on Great Lives, we're joined by a renegade economist. |
0:48.2 | Kate Rayworth is Senior Associate at Oxford University's Environmental Change Institute and co-founder of the Donut Economics Action Lab. |
0:53.7 | Kate, before we come to your choice of great life, |
0:56.2 | what is a renegade economist? |
0:59.2 | It's somebody who believes that economics desperately needs to be rewritten, |
1:04.2 | so it's actually fit for the 21st century, and that's what I believe. |
1:07.1 | You think that modern economics has just got something big completely wrong? |
1:11.6 | Yes, I think it's absolutely overly focused on growth and it massively ignores the living |
1:17.2 | planet on which all depends. |
1:19.0 | Is that also the aim of your donut lab? |
1:21.9 | What exactly is donut economics? |
1:25.0 | So donut economics is economics that starts with a vision that looks like a donut. |
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