Welcome to Just Between Us, the podcast with all of the answers, some of the time.

A bit of a different thing going on this week.

You've been immature and you've lied.

And now you're trying to turn it on me and manipulate me and gaslight me.

I was trying to manipulate you.

Diana, you would be chucking their clothes out of the window.

I know, I'd be like, are you joking?

I don't know.

I guess you'd have to ask.

Someone that has sex.

Someone that has sex.

And remember, it's just between us.

Welcome to the History Extra podcast.

Fascinating historical conversations from BBC History Magazine and BBC History Revealed.

What was it like to be a woman in command of a ship on the high seas in a 17th century maritime world dominated by men?

Historical novelist Kate Moss takes on this question in her new novel, The Ghost Ship.

She joined Ellen Evans to talk more about the novel's setting, characters and historical inspirations.

Your new novel, The Ghost Ship, is the third novel in the Joubert Family Chronicles. We've had

the burning chambers and the city of tears, and it's a sweeping span taking us out to sea and covering

piracy, slavery, and the complex lives of historical women as ever. Four readers who haven't

met the Joubert family before, or for perhaps a refresher, if we haven't seen them for a while,

where in history did we last see the family? And where does this new volume pick us up?

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